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Visits to music piracy websites went up more than 13 percent last year, a new report says. The majority of those visits were to sites that allow users to download the audio from YouTube URLs.

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[–] [email protected] 120 points 9 months ago (8 children)

I never stopped but i started buying music too from small artists

[–] [email protected] 131 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I feel like Bandcamp's biggest fans are prolific pirates with a conscience who just want to see their favorite artists actually get paid.

EDIT: Don't forget it's Bandcamp Friday today.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 23 points 9 months ago (1 children)

But we'll still need a proper place to support our favorite creators (where the artists actually receive some of the money). I wonder where people will migrate next.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Haven't heard about that one, thank you for the heads-up.

First impressions:

  • From top 10 artists i follow:
    • 5/10 have profile and uploaded at least one song on Bandcamp.
    • 3/10 have an account on Audius (possibility to donate).
    • 1/10 has uploaded at least one song on Audius.
  • One MUST upload a profile picture to create an account.
    • About 1/3 of proposed artists during account creation have uploaded <5 songs, most seem to be remix and cover artists.
    • Didn't figure out how to search for artists during account creation, ended up choosing 2/3 artists I've never heard of.
  • Not immediately apparent whether I can download bought music to a lossless format.
  • Not sure how to buy album or individual song at first glance.
  • LOTS of remixes and covers, not so much original songs (this is both good and bad).
  • Nice that you can donate arbitrary amount without buying anything, in case you already got the music from... other places...
    • I didn't find anyplace where "$AUDIO" is explained, how much the artist receives, or what you receive if anything.

Less relevant observations:

  • weird pause/play button, sometimes there's just a loading wheel spinning where it's supposed to be, not really functional.
  • Slightly intrusive, had to disable some plugins (Javascript (obviously it's playing music) and fingerprinting (cloudflare?)) for the site to load. Not relevant to music, but just a general observation since we're in the piracy community.

Not much going on by now, but it probably just needs some time to grow and assimilate the likely soon-to-be-migrating Bandcamp user base. I'll keep an eye on it, and probably revisit it once more artists have migrated to it.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 9 months ago (2 children)

That's super based. Pirate whoever's stuff you want, but small artists usually depend on that income.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I listen to hundreds of small artists. I can't buy every singles albums they have.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You don't have to. Buy the ones you think are worth it, attend shows and maybe buy merch. Like we used to do before leechify

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[–] [email protected] 117 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Downloading YouTube isn’t piracy lol it’s time shifting.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago (6 children)

TiVo has entered the chat.

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The majority of those visits were to sites that allow users to download the audio from YouTube URLs.

This is not piracy. We've always been allowed to record e.g. radio and TV for personal use.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I think the RIAA has a different view on that. Huge push backs against recordable cassettes and VHS tapes when they were introduced.

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I WISH I COULD HEAR YA OVER THESE HERE BANGING TUNES! 🏴‍☠️

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (10 children)

But are they lossless 96kHz+? Only reason I use qobuz.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 50 points 9 months ago (8 children)

I used to do lots of piracy back in the days. I am so glad those days are behind me and have not been big on the scene. What would be some sites to avoid to not fall in the trap of being a criminal. I love giving companies all of my money and do not ever want to go back to my old ways. Please help me with a nice list of things to avoid.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 9 months ago (17 children)

I know this does not make me look good - but I am a YouTube Premium subscriber. I had Spotify, but they jacked up their family plan rate, and it was only a few bucks cheaper than Premium, then I got the ad-free (without adblockers). I mostly did it to help my kids avoid the toxic ads that are littered into the kid content. The main reason I stick with some of this stuff is for the discovery. Pandora was great, Spotify is ok.

Regardless - the smart playlists, and AI stuff on YouTube music is AWFUL. I cannot put into words how bad it is. Spotify got it right about 1/4-1/2 of the time. YouTube, maybe 1/100. Constantly recommending a country, which I cannot stand. When it isn't doing country, it recommends hard rock/metal which I also do not listen to. I feel like I need a new way to find music, then I could sever ties with all these trashy subscriptions.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If I cannot buy on Bandcamp or Boomkat or directly from the artist then I sail the high seas, proudly.

I refuse to stream.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 9 months ago (7 children)

I want to counter that buying individual songs and albums would get too expensive compared to streaming, but then I realized I've been listening to the same set of playlists in the past few years and the total cost of streaming subscription in those period is probably more than enough to buy those songs.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago

Heh. I never thought about it this way. I just need to finish downloading my Spotify playlists I guess, then plexamp l the way

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Weird... yt-dlp -f "ba" url

Never need to use one of those horrible malware laden download sites again..

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

That's not how I would get a discography, a non YouTube artist (some international ones), a whole album or lossless though - or am I mistaken?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think he is talking about this

The majority of those visits were to sites that allow users to download the audio from YouTube URLs.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)

2023 was absolutely the year I dove back into music piracy. I started with downloading youtube playlists but the real game changer was soundiiz, which allowed me to import text, m3u, csv, spotify, xspf playlists into qobuz and deezer so i can download whole playlists of FLAC with qobuz-dl and deemix-gui. My collection went from 20,000 to 100,000, downloading playlists from qobuz and deezer, xspf playlists from my remaining lossy music. I used streamripper on a few web radio stations just to get a list of songs to pull down this way. I only bought music for years and years, but that got me a narrow type of collection.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Wow so we call downloading YouTube piracy?

I guess most content creators are pirates.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Wow, that's stupid. I consider ripping songs from YouTube to be the modern equivalent of taping songs off the radio. The quality is poor.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

A few notes:
Own music, do not rent.
I'm buying CDs from smaller labels directly. Cheaper than Scamazon sometimes. A couple examples: https://metalblade.indiemerch.com/collections/cds https://metalonmetalrecords.com/shop/
My library has loaned me many CDs over the years. I still have an external CD burner I can connect to my PC. Thank you, library.
Used media stores are awesome. Give them your business.

ETA: Corrected link to Metal On Metal records shop.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Give me lidarr but with a smart daily generated playlist focus instead of collecting artist discographies

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah. I want a self-hosted Pandora alternative

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Is t it funny how this seems to be happening in every industry possible? And it’s always reported with sUcH sURpRisE!

Like, we are being abused by capitalists. It feels good to steal. Because they can’t stop taking more and more from us, squeezing us harder and harder.

When you present us with ease of use and a reasonable price point, we are happy with the trade. But they need their returns to keep growing, so they keep squeezing us harder. Their investors demand the line go up. So they squeeze us harder. They need to cut costs, so they squeeze us harder.

It never stops. So we turn to theft. Because they’ve literally left us no choice.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 9 months ago

Some of us never stopped pirate-jammin

[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago (5 children)

So right now, I have Radarr and Sonarr automate everything to plex.

Is there a way, I can automate:

I add to Spotify playlist (I would keep Spotify free as it is good at finding things for me)

Something detects it

Something downloads it

It shows up in PlexAmp

Ive been paying for Spotify premium because I need it for my job and I don't want to spend a ton of time tweaking and naming things. I'd rather use PlexAmp and stop paying if possible but I'd like it to be easy (with a little work here and there) like my arr+plex setup.

Am I asking for something that doesn't exist?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

This is my time to shine !

I am currently working on this and have a prototype that I am testing : https://github.com/P6g9YHK6/SpotifyRipper

When I have the time to polish it I will dockerise the solution to have an automated spotify scraper ATM it is manually run but works pretty well 🥳

Pull requests are welcome for anything on the todo list 🫡 And github stars will help boost this project popularity 🥰

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Soulseek for life! There should be a documentary about this because…. how? How has this been able to go this strong for so long? One of the first installs on any new OS I spin up. And when it comes to supporting the artists? Live shows and merch, when possible.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago

Soulseek still going strong yes.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Songs and albums that I’ve listened to for years have disappeared from my Apple Music subscription. I swapped completely to a paid service and never looked back until they removed things I could listen to last month.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (3 children)

My philosophy goes like this: Pay for the hardware, get the content for free.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

if there was a way to get spotify with at least CD quality and the artists getting the rest of the money that spotify doesn't already take, more people would probably pay for it.

i am in a spotify family plan already, but i get that paying 12 bucks a month for 320 kbit/s and getting the artist fucked over is too much.

it's a thing of morals for many people, like with steam. steam doesn't actively fuck both the developer and the user over, they just take a 30% cut. you could argue about if that's too much, but i'm fine with it.

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