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[–] 139 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (15 children)

Apple isn't that much of an asshole, it only does all the dick moves it is legally allowed to.

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  • [–] 67 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    No their ads told me they’re the heroic guardians of my privacy.

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  • [–] 46 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I think they're probably better on privacy than default out of the box Android phones loaded up with Google adware, but that's such an incredibly low bar.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    Which is obviously true, just like everything else you read on the web. If someone wrote it on the web, it has to be true. It’s we well known fact, that it physically impossible for it to be otherwise.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    Can't think of any worse assholes except Google.

    Just because they make nice looking hardware, you give them a pass.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    Samsung finally ditched the stupid curved glass, so Androidland now has nice hardware too

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Good luck with that. Their phones are filled with ads and Samsung’s crappy software that can’t be removed. Apple and Google do the same thing, but their apps are at least good. As good as Samsung’s hardware is, they mess up the package with their hot garbage software.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    There are 4 Samsung apps that I'll erase if it'll be just a tap. So it's not very 👎. I can use Android debug bridge to erase those but I won't bother. If there are 30 bloat apps, I'll erase those.

    I've been using my Samsung a70 for about 2 years. The Samsung apps are generally fine.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    I do wholeheartedly agree that Samsung writes shit software tho, but their customizations for the last seven years stopped frying my phone. (S2 was okay, S3 was such a dumpster fire of a phone caused by Samsung's deplorable coding)

    I have the impression that OS restrictions imposed by Google on latest versions of Android and - perhaps - the move to Kotlin improved it. I have been using a S10+ and had no issues with software. Crappy software can be removed without root using ADB and, in my region, Samsung does not bundle carrier crap (except stupid Facebook stuff that is still present in S10 and even S24 series)

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Yeah I never understood that. Made me stop buying Samsung phones, also because they added a price premium. Turns out that the best Android phones are Motorola phones like the Edge 30. No crapware at all and fantastic battery time.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I never understood this

    iPhones are fashion accessories before anything else.

    Samsung for some fuckdamn reason just copycats everything Apple does.

    The curved glass was a stupid, expensive, and failure prone attempt at capturing the fashion accessory market.

    All it did was piss off eight years of customers.

    It really is amazing how companies with ridiculous amounts of money for research and product testing and they hang on to an abject failure like this for so long.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    All it did was piss off eight years of customers.

    Yes, curved glass serves no function and introduces a vulnerable point, prone for cracking

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    And makes just holding it normally cause misclicks as the edge of your fingertips brush the curved glass.

    Honestly I would be a lot less pissed about it if they just hadn't extended the touch sensitivity all the way around the curve.

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  • [–] 52 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    Looking forward to the day I have the cash for Fairphone or some other alt to Android/iOS

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Oh I didn't know about fair phone. Thank you for making me aware of this project.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Be aware that their hardware has cross gen problems and their support is very bad. /e/os has implemented tracking id into their update service. They are calling cleanapk, they update OS and Webview extremly slow resulting in a very insecure OS.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    they update OS and Webview extremly slow resulting in a very insecure OS.

    I've recently got monthly updates. The last one from 2024-01-09 containing Android security patches until 12/2023.

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  • [+] -10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    @torbjoern @Undertaker 💡migrate to #grapheneos on a #degoogled #pixel and enjoy lightning fast ⚡ OS updates for #android14 whilst using an excellent piece of mobile hardware without #tracking

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago

    Yeah, well, I'm not gonna give up my potentially long-living #Fairphone (due to excellent repairability) for a Pixel crafted from rare-earth minerals of dubious origin, just because you're #shilling it.

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  • [–] 46 points 2 years ago

    Yes, they are also as painful as possible for every other browser. That's the point.

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  • [–] [B] 26 points 2 years ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    Apple’s new rules in the European Union mean browsers like Firefox can finally use their own engines on iOS.

    Although this may seem like a welcome change, Mozilla spokesperson Damiano DeMonte tells The Verge it’s “extremely disappointed” with the way things turned out.

    “We are still reviewing the technical details but are extremely disappointed with Apple’s proposed plan to restrict the newly-announced BrowserEngineKit to EU-specific apps,” DeMonte says.

    In iOS 17.4, Apple will no longer force browsers in the EU to use WebKit, the underlying engine that powers Safari.

    “Apple’s proposals fail to give consumers viable choices by making it as painful as possible for others to provide competitive alternatives to Safari,” DeMonte adds.

    Epic CEO Tim Sweeney called the new terms a “horror show,” while Spotify said the changes are a “farce.” Apple’s guidelines are still pending approval by the EU Commission.


    The original article contains 285 words, the summary contains 142 words. Saved 50%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Wonder if you could get an eu iPhone in the us, or use a vpn, or something else…

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Probably ok with VPN if you never allow the phone to detect its location (gps and cell towers) cause Apple would know immediately.

    But that begs the question of what happen to EU users traveling outside the EU region?

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Features are locked to the region the phone was designed for so nothing software will work.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    So theoretically importing a European iPhone can unlock features?

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  • [+] -105 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    Wow, right up front, they're being disingenuous:

    “The effect of this would be to force an independent browser like Firefox to build and maintain two separate browser implementations — a burden Apple themselves will not have to bear.”

    ...No? Apple won't bear that burden because they're going to keep using WebKit. Firefox can keep using WebKit. Not using WebKit is a choice, with pros and cons.

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  • [+] 69 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)
  • [+] -85 points 2 years ago* (4 children)

    It’s disingenuous to act like this is some huge burden. You ship two browsers — one for the EU and one for other markets. Firefox already ships on a number of different platforms. Adding one branch isn’t going to kill them.

    Or if it’s such a pain, you don’t bother and just ship the WebKit version everywhere.

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  • [–] 63 points 2 years ago

    It’s disingenuous to act like this is some huge burden.

    Having to double your software engineers, UI/UX designers, QA engineers, DevOps, and localization/accessibility specialists to handle a second browser is a HUGE burden for a non-profit.

    If you don't care about quality, security, or user experience, sure you can just pass a "does it compile" test and push to prod. You'll quickly find that nobody wants to use this under resourced browser.

    Or if it’s such a pain, you don’t bother and just ship the WebKit version everywhere.

    This is exactly what Apple wants. They don't want to give people a real choice because they're scared of real competition.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Tbf, it would be a completely new & different browser from the ground up since they would have to make it from Gecko and such. And they are already struggling with their Android browser already.

    But yeah, they could keep the WebKit version everywhere.

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  • [+] -16 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Would it be completely new and different? The only thing that changes is the rendering engine. The UI/windowing stays the same as the other iOS app. And the rendering engine has already been built for MacOS, so it’s not like they have to start from scratch — it’s the same base platform.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (3 children)