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[–] 330 points 2 years ago (69 children)

smells like legally actionable monopolistic behavior. apple clearly needs to be broken up... when was the last time we did that?

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    [–] 281 points 2 years ago* (58 children)

    When a company' website doesn't work on Firefox I don't get angry at Firefox, I just don't use the site. When a company makes their cookie popups are a pain in the ass I don't get angry at the EU, I get angry at the company that made the popup. I use Firefox as a Canary that dies when a website is a piece of shit.

    Maybe it's a win-win, I don't have to deal with Apple's bullshit and Apple doesn't have to waste resources on me, for me to block all their shady shit.

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  • [–] 29 points 2 years ago (15 children)

    I feel the same but I also cannot avoid some sites. Ohio's unemployment and job board only works with Chrome based sites and I have to use those when I'm in between jobs.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    This brings up an interesting thought though. Should governments and states be able to prefer you to use a certain browser or should they be required to make the website function on all..

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    You would have to find a good definition of "all browsers", and I think that would be nearly impossible.

    I absolutely agree that governments should support Firefox, that's a reasonable claim. But do they need to support the earliest version of netscape? Or the browser I made as a hobby project last week and published as open source? There's a limit to what's reasonable and workable.

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    [–] 255 points 2 years ago (17 children)

    I absolutely love how Mozilla has been calling out Apple, Google, and Microsoft. So good.

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    [–] 110 points 2 years ago

    Of course, they want to make it as complicated as possible so that people don't actually do it.

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  • [–] 91 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    This is why I support Linux and open source stuff whenever I can. Always used Firefox. Linux on the server and desktop. Doesn't work for everyone but it's the last free open thing we've got. What's been great about Linux is now that basically everything is a Web app Linux is the perfect OS. But now we are dealing with bullshit browser wars. Uhg. Firefox will be the Linux if browsers in no time.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago* (9 children)

    I feel like of a group of dedicated Firefox engineers should fork the source code and start their own company.

    If they would focus on adding really useful features at a rapid pace, people would be willing to pay for it.

    Similiar to Kagi, if you make a really good software, you will get a group of dedicated people to support you.

    Just a tech company without these super expensive CEOs that are not needed in a smaller company.

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  • [–] 30 points 2 years ago

    Servo is a fork of a Mozilla research project, it's moved to the Linux foundation.

    They are rebuilding a web engine built for the internet today, rather than adapting the older web engines of yesterday. Mozilla already uses some of their components in Firefox.

    But they are only building a web engine, for other people to turn into browsers, we views, electron alternatives etc.

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  • [–] 29 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Aren't there already a bunch of forks of Firefox already? How will one more help anything?

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago

    There is a difference between forks made by other people to tweak a project/do something specific for it, and the base project's dev team moving away from whatever it became.

    I'm usually not in favor of such fork because the reason for moving away is sometime dubious; some project just rename themselves to "start fresh and drop legacy compatibility issue". But in the case of Firefox, Mozilla is the thing holding back features while adding bloat. Since it can't change to a saner structure with more long-term sustainability plans, devs/engineers could move into a fork to not be bound to that anymore.

    Of course it's not that easy; for all the bad Mozilla (foundation or other, I don't care much that they are two entities at this point since one is owned by the other) is doing to the actual software, they do provide salaries. At least, for now.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago

    I don't think your idea is bad but remember that the reason that small companies (like the one that makes arc) can maintain a browser is that they're using chromium, and maintaining a browser engine is the hard part

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    [–] [B] 27 points 2 years ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    Apple’s new rules in the European Union mean browsers like Firefox can finally use their own engines on iOS.

    Although this may seem like a welcome change, Mozilla spokesperson Damiano DeMonte tells The Verge it’s “extremely disappointed” with the way things turned out.

    “We are still reviewing the technical details but are extremely disappointed with Apple’s proposed plan to restrict the newly-announced BrowserEngineKit to EU-specific apps,” DeMonte says.

    In iOS 17.4, Apple will no longer force browsers in the EU to use WebKit, the underlying engine that powers Safari.

    “Apple’s proposals fail to give consumers viable choices by making it as painful as possible for others to provide competitive alternatives to Safari,” DeMonte adds.

    Epic CEO Tim Sweeney called the new terms a “horror show,” while Spotify said the changes are a “farce.” Apple’s guidelines are still pending approval by the EU Commission.


    The original article contains 285 words, the summary contains 142 words. Saved 50%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Bro legit question, why can't all the app developers pull their app from apple store. Within no time apple will change its tune

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  • [–] 48 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Because app developers have to jump through a lot of hoops to get into the app store, and even if every single app was pulled then the developers would have to jump through all those hoops again. And this time, Apple won't make it easy. Meanwhile, they are hemorrhaging money for every minute their app is not on the app store. On the other hand, Apple would give incentives to new applicants to replace everything that was pulled, and the app store returns to relatively normal within 24 hours since there are tons of apps out there that just aren't popular enough to be on the app store at the moment. Would you want to be the first developer to pull their app?

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    [–] 14 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Lmao i was calling apple out earlier in a thread for this exact reason!!!

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