Why is Vietnam nowhere near as vilified as China? I never hear of Vietnam in the news but I always hear of China and the DPRK. (lemmygrad.ml)

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u/Technical-Rest1184 - originally from r/GenZhou
DPRK is being vilified because it was full communist and Americans can't access resources of DPRK .

China is being vilified because it has grown too much and America fears that it will loose it's influence when it will become number 1 economy. When they loose their hegemony /superpower status and then world will be transformed into murli polar world and then usa won't be able to do whatever they want like fabricating lies of WMD to just loot resources of middle eastern countries since last two decades.

Since nobody is above or as equal as powerful as USA so international laws doesn't apply on it. This fear of loosing superpower status is haunting them all the time , but it can't do much and only relies on propaganda, but in reality after a decade these propaganda won't work because by that time china would have surpassed them in economy, as well as they would loose loose in trade war by decoupling with china and inflation will eat their middle classes which will stagnant domestic consumption since USA relies heavily on consumption economy then you will see huge devaluation of USD dollar . I don't see any good future of USA.

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u/REEEEEvolution - originally from r/GenZhou
The DPRK explicitly states that it is in the phase of socialism.

There is no "full communism", this would require every state on earth to be socialist with sufficiently developped productive forces.

The DPRK uses a more directed economy, akin the the USSR. This, however is by no means a necessity for a socialist state. During socialism, private industries are to be taken over by degree - what China is doing.

The USSR used a directed economy (which would be a left devisionism) because it basically stood alone and had no one to help them develop their productive forces. Attempts to liberalise the markets in a way China later on did, to make use of foreign capital, were prevented by Cornboys coup and his faction blocking while Stalin was still alive.

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u/Luca-511 - originally from r/GenZhou
Can I annoy you with another question? Alright, so, my understanding of internal Soviet politics post-Stalin is pretty vague, so can you please elaborate on what you said about Khrushchëv and his coup? Would the USSR have had gone the path of China if not for Khrushchëv or am I misintepreting what you said?

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u/cfgaussian - originally from r/GenZhou
There would be no reason for the USSR to go down the path China took if the Khrushchev coup never happened. Furthermore there would also be no reason for China to do what they did in the 1970s if the Sino-Soviet split and Soviet decline never happened. If the USSR stayed on the socialist path that Stalin had set it on, and China remained their staunch ally and close partner, then neither of the two countries would have needed to liberalize and make concessions to the west to attract foreign capital and technology since the USSR would be on par with the most developed western countries and they could be the ones to help China speed up their development instead of China having to pander to western capitalists to do so.

My view is that Opening Up and Reform was something done out of necessity, not because it was inevitable or the most ideal choice for a socialist country to make. But it was the only option China had for developing its productive forces quickly considering the circumstances with the USSR.

What you need to remember is that the USSR had already gone through a phase called the NEP in which they purposely allowed capitalists to operate for economic development.

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u/Luca-511 - originally from r/GenZhou
top notch answer

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u/eisagi - originally from r/GenZhou
One more psychological reason - the US lost to Vietnam. So it doesn't sting as bad to say, "wow, the Vietnamese are just exceptional - they use sneaky booby traps and tunnels - nobody could have beaten them". The archetypal American image of the bad guy is both evil and incompetent. So if you paint the Vietnamese as too evil, then it just makes you look worse for losing to them.

By contrast, the US never lost to China. The draw in Korea is called "the Forgotten War" because the US likes to pretend it never happened.

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[deleted] - originally from r/GenZhou
The american regime lost to modern China in the Chinese civil war, Korea and Vietnam (China made heavy contributions). Don't know where you got your history lessons from, but they are widely understood as american defeats in global literature. Modern China is founded upon those victories. The humiliation america received gave China plenty of leverage which continues to this day (as the DPRK's existence shows). Your argument is quite infantile.

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