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[–] [email protected] 116 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Yes

Where does the word alphabet come from?

The word alphabet comes from the first two letters of the Greek alphabet: alpha and beta. It was first used, in its Latin form, alphabetum, by Tertullian during the 2nd–3rd century CE and by St. Jerome.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I woke up at 7:00 a.m. for this and had a sudden moment of clarity out of absolutely nowhere. Thank you.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago

These little epiphanies are always fun. Like when you realise how many maths and astronomy terms are just romanised Arabic words like Algebra and Algorithm.

Another fun one that I wasn't smart enough to notice on my own is that the Hindu-Arabic numerals have the same number of angles in the symbols as the number they represent.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

It’s a Christmas miracle! 😉

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

You had a Sudden Clarity Clarence moment, but you don't think in memes.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago

So calling it your ABCs when you're younger isn't that far off. Interesting.

[–] [email protected] 65 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Pretty much. English borrowed it from Latin because it's posh. And Latin borrowed it from Greek because it's posh. But at the end of the day it's in the same spirit as "the ABC", or Latin "abecedarius".

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago

And the Greeks took it from the Phoenicians where it was Alep Bet (almost identical to the Hebrew Aleph Beth).

And these are words that start with the sound of the letter. Aleph means Ox and Beth is house.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago

It's also "ABC" ("ábécé") in Hungarian. (And I bet in a lot of other languages too.)

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Then why do Abacuses help us count instead of spell? 🤔

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

Coincidence. The word backtracks to Greek ᾰ̓́βᾰξ / ábax "board, slab", it doesn't have to do with ABC.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

Abacus comes from the Greek "Abak" meaning board or slab.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's abecedario in Spanish (ABCDs). I'd imagine the -rio is like diccionario, which is like a collection.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

It is kind of the same suffix but the story is a mess.

That -ario and all words using it are reborrowed* from Latin. And originally it was two related suffixes, fulfilling two purposes:

  • masculine -arius, feminine -aria: transform noun into adjective. Like "a be ce de" (ABCD) into "abecedarius" (alphabetic).
  • neuter -arium: noun denoting a place for another noun. Like "dictio" (saying) into "dictionarium" (dictionary, or "where you store sayings")

Except that Latin allowed you to use an adjective as if it was a noun (Spanish still does it), so that "abecedarius" ended as a substantive again. And Spanish merged Latin masculine and neuter, further conflating both versions of the suffix.

*the inherited doublet is the -ero in llavero (place for keys) and herrero (related to iron - professions took the suffix and systematised the re-substantivisation).

[–] [email protected] 51 points 11 months ago

Similarly, the viking rune "alphabet" is called the Futhark, because the first letters are pronounced F, U, Þ, A, R, K.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Fun fact - in Polish language the word alfabet exists as a technical name of the alphabet. There is also a more casual word, often used by children: abecadło which is basically polish way of saying "The ABCs".

[–] [email protected] 22 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Spanish is similar. For spanish the word is abecedario.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

English has "abecedarian", which can mean "alphabetical", "rudimentary", "elementary", "novice" or "beginner".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

We also have alfabeto though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Finnish word is aakkoset. Well, it has the a. It sounds like a pet name or slang for something, but as far as I know it's just nonsense.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The Latin word is "abecedarium". I don't know why English adopted the Greek word.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I mean, English isn’t a Romance language

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Wow, I can't believe I never put that together before.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

Shower thought material right there

[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

yes.

source: can speak Greek.

Also the first two letters of the Greek alphabet are άλφα (alpha) and βήτα (beta)

[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago

Not that different from us talking about “learning our ABCs”.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If it isn't, then where else would the word "alphabet" come from?

Oh wait, you could look at the Hebrew alphabet and pretend that the word came from its first two letters: Aleph and Bet.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

This is what I thought. From Hebrew.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

From Egyptian Hieroglyphs actually.

Which the Phoenicians turned into letters, which eventually became our letters.

Look, A is a lil upside down cows head hieroglyph.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

In all honesty, I don't know which of the two languages is older.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Hebrew is slightly older than Greek but it was also more isolated than Greek and likely did not have much influence on Greek. As another commenter pointed out, Phoenician is the accepted source for the Greek alphabet.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I guess that answers that.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No, it's a noun made from the portmanteau of the first two letters of the greek alphabet

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

The best kind of correct.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago

Azbuka, name of the cirillic script, also comes from the old names of the first two letters.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

There's a series on Prime via The Great Courses Collection about the origins of language. (Almost?) all languages derive their names like this, but that's like, a throw away line in a much deeper series.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Many Indian languages use some version of 'akshara', which means 'unchanging' or 'indestructible'. (I guess the alphabet does change, but too slowly for us to notice.) Most Indian languages start the alphabet with all the vowels, so 'first n letters' would be unpronouncable.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No, it’s named after the cereal

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Completely wrong as is clearly named after Google parent company Alphabet

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I googled alphabet and apparently google got alphabetted 8 years ago?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

They had the disadvantage of not being able to read until then, but look how quick they're moving now.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

I never thought of it before, but it is a conjunction of those first two Greek letters. Or else, it's named after the soup it resembles.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

Sounds like a question asked by someone who already knows the answer.

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