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Inspired by a post that popped on lemmy world today about Weird Al it got me thinking. I listed out a bunch of names but the one that I think fits the most would probably be Surfan Stevens. Who do you all think?

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 11 months ago (6 children)

ITT: people who have severely underestimated Mozart's musical capacities and contributions.

Mozart is a musician that is studied by nearly any professional musician. There are historians, musical scholars, and museums dedicated to him. He's a household name across the world. He established a period of music. As a teenager, he deciphered a 12 min choral piece with multiple groups and solos after hearing it once and by memory wrote it down later that night (he heard it a 2nd time a few days later for minor corrections). When he presented the score to the clergy, they said he got one note wrong. After investigation, Mozart heard it right. The musician's score was off by a note. Could any popular musician mentioned here decipher just a 6 min song of 4 instrument band after hearing it once with pen and paper ready? Imagine telling any music legend now, "Hey, you're off by a half a step on the 3rd note of bar 28 of your own song."

Comparing an awesome popular singer, guitarist, or band to him is like comparing your friend that got a job at NASA to Einstein. There is no modern Mozart. There have been greats since Mozart, but there haven't been any Mozarts since Mozart. I say this as a Beethoven fan. Mozart was the only Mozart. He was so good, that his name became a title for great musician: Mozart. No one listed in this thread is anywhere near being a Mozart.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

When you put it that way, the list of candidates thins out and the one figure I see still standing is John Coltrane, who in his day was running circles around fellow jazz musicians, they couldn't wrap their heads around how Coltrane's chord progressions and jumping between keys from note to note made any sense... yet it did, and beautifully.

EDIT: typo

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No offence but I think you’re forgetting about Fred Durst.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

He literally broke stuff

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Likely the closest I could picture in a modern sense is Jacob Collier, who can indeed perform these types of musical feats. But the crux of the issue is that while Collier is much loved, he isn’t a dominant force of popular music like Mozart was.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Honestly, I could see Jacob Collier doing just that.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What if some or most of those details were made up to sound nicer / more impressive?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Yeah, that's exactly my first thought while reading this. If I rewrote the list of achievements above to sound like I was claiming they all happened to me, and then posted it to twitter, it would be indistinguishable from most other "🙄 that happened" posts.

People will be saying similar stuff about Taylor Swift in 100 years; by definition being legendary means being unreal.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

I agree, and this is easily my favorite post of the month.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Ummm

Prince.

Music fell out of him. He accidentally walked by a bass and it exploded from the funk.

Talent for days. (See also RRHoF playing “while my guitar gently weeps”)

Second vote would be Trent Reznor or Danny Elfman

[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Plus the moment he made it rain during his Superbowl show whilst playing purple rain.

I don't care what anyone says, it rained because of prince.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago

Don’t care if it is apocryphal but when it started raining, he said “make it rain harder. “

Yes. He did make it rain that day.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Bullshit Logic. We also don't have 1000 Da Vincis, 10.000 Jesuses and 100.000 Moseses.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago

Hans Zimmer? If not in pure skill then in name recognition.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago

King Gizzard. They love weird-ass time signatures (look up the ridiculousness that is Crumbling Castle for an example), polyrhythms, unconventional tuning, and such. They hop from one genre to another, they probably have one of the highest album-to-year ratios in music (not including live and demo albums), sometimes they're serious, sometimes they're silly, sometimes they're silly-serious. The biggest blow to them however, is that nothing they make is truly a "masterpiece". It all ranges from "good" to "great" but nothing they've made is really a "masterpiece". Maybe in time they'll make a true masterpiece, but nothing yet quite qualifies imo.

The other nomination I'd make is Devin Townsend. Where King Gizzard is extremely prolific but doesn't make masterpieces, Devin Townsend takes his time and makes masterpieces. Despite its silliness, Ziltoid the Omniscient is one of the best, if not the best, metal albums, period. It's an album so good that even my parents, who don't like metal, have songs they enjoy from the album. Empath is a stunning blend of metal, electronic, prog, praise & worship/gospel,^1 and god knows what else. The man just does things and they come out amazing.


^1 Afaik Devin Townsend's not a Christian, sorry to any Christian peeps hoping for good Christian music. He just incorporated that sound into the album.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I love Sufjan Stevens, but I don't see the comparison. While I really love his lyrics (one of the few I actually like them, I usually find most artist lyrics to be plain and way too cheesy), his music is very simple compared to a behemoth like Mozart.

Mozart was able to write highly complex music very fast, that went from deep themes to silly ones, and enjoyed popularity from both critics and public, which is something quite rare.

I don't which one would be the closest today. Maybe something like Williams or Ennio Morricone.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago

Jacob Collier

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

You ever seen that post about how classical music is closest to metal? Well Kerry King is our modern day Mozart.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

\M/

Dude can definitely shred and definitely plays some complex licks. Dimebag and Randy Rhodes are definitely up there too, but then again, so are many heavy metal guitarists.

I'm a shitty guitarist and whenever I just sit back and listen to the guitar tracks on most heavy metal albums I'm always amazed by the complexity, speed, precision and just overall sound of the tracks, especially when it comes to the solos.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Kerry is a great player, but I think the shredder who embodied the spirit and the form of Mozart was Alexi Laiho.

His solos were a such distinct take on the neoclassical sound

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

This is the kind of question that makes me hate my mortality, because culture is so scattered and vast and changing so rapidly these days that it seems difficult to imagine anything "modern" lasting for hundreds more years, and we'll never actually be able to know the answer.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

David Bowie, few have his range and talent.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

John Williams.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Probably Radiohead

Or Trent Reznor

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

Stevens is more like Bach than like Mozart. Lots of repetition in his themes but layered and created in counterpoint like no other contemporary artist. Love that guy.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I don't know anything about surfan Stevens, why him?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

He has a huge discography, is a talented multi instrumentalist, and is very experimental with genre and song writing in general while still effectively connecting with a growing audience. I used to know only a handful of his songs and thought, good but meh. Out of curiosity about his broad appeal between people I wouldn’t expect much over lap from, I dove into his discography and it’s something really special.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Okay, very cool. Thanks, he sounds worth looking into

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No problem, I had a lot of fun listening from his least popular album to most, just to see when it would click.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Where did it click for you? What’s considered his most popular?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

I think it might’ve been this one but it was a while back so I’ll keep looking and edit if I find something that looks more familiar. Greetings from Michigan got it’s antlers in me, after that I burned through the rest of the list pretty quickly and then it became a blur of shuffle for a few weeks.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Quincy Jones

Prince

David Bowie

Danny Elfman

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

well since Mozart is dead, and OP wants us to name a contemporary artist, isn't it a prerequisite that the artist still be alive right now?

Danny Elfman wins. He's a fookin' musical mad genius.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago
[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

Kevin MacLeod.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

I'm learning lots of good music here, but I was really hoping Surfan Stevens was a surf-rock cover artist of Sufjan Stevens and Cat Stevens.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

If you are going to compare you should add the context of each, and by adding the context Mozart was a genius and cannot be compared.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Squarepusher cones to mind

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

I'm going to go with Steven Wilson for this. Mostly because he and Mozart have an undeniable talent, many of their fans consider them to be some type of visionary savant, and despite the broad agreement toward that perspective I still find both of their outputs to be broadly incredibly dull.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

I would say David Gilmour. Pink Floyd music comes to mind for having some pretty symphonic sounds.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Ramin Djawadi no contest.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Controversial, but Muse is up there in the great composers list.

Also Shaka Ponk, whole other story

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I wouldn't say that controversial. Muse are pretty varied in their output, The Exogenesis Symphony is fantastic, and then they also have stuff like Plug In Baby, which is amazing. Matthew Bellamy is very talented.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Ben Folds. He's got classical, jazz and rock chops, with a full helping of the wit and mischief in his lyrics.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Those that like him, like him a lot. The rest of us will walk over fields of lava to hit the skip button.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Love Sufjan. He has a Mozart mind in his own right.

If Mozart was raised with an accordion and looney tunes he might Weird Mo, if he had parents like Carrie and Lowell he might be giving LGBTQ+ and Christian Conservatives a Christmas album to agree on.

Trying to compare a Mozart of our times to the original is like comparing an apple to the tree it grew from. There are obvious similarities but fundamentally are just different things of different times.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Dwayne Rudolph Goettel (Skinny Puppy) Peter Christopherson (Psychic TV, Coil, Throbbing Gristle)

If we change this question to generational, instead of "modern times", those two would fit into Gen X.

Richard Wright (Pink Floyd) Ray Manzarek (Doors) Elton John

For the "Boomers".

Tori Amos Trent Reznor Atticus Ross

For the Millenials.

I'm sure there's many more from those 3 generations. But they have my vote.

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