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Welp, I made a similar thread yesterday regarding Manjaro but I decided to swap to Fedora as my daily driver for stability purposes. Unfortunately since fedora is yet another non Debian distro I need help finding a Syncterm replacement.

I'm my previous thread it was pointed out to me that syncterm has a docker option which I can run on Fedora, but I'd prefer running an app locally if possible.

I tried the Syncterm snap package which boots inside bash, but it doesn't have ANSI support (which is the entire point of using Syncterm) since I assume it's simply piggy backing off of bash- hence the 1.5* review on the snap store.

Looking for options.. if anyone can help a Linux noob I'm all ears. I tried Alien to convert deb to rpm and fell on my face.

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[–] [email protected] 80 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

If you are looking for something a little more stable than Manjaro but still Arch based and beginner friendly EndeavorOS is a good option.

Not an answer to your question or suggesting you jump from Fedora just putting it out there.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

These days, there is also the official guided installer for arch that may be worth a try. I had similar issues with Manjaro, but since this has been around I've never had a reason to try any arch derivative.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (10 children)

My brother had that OS. It worked fine until it got a bug that the computer froze when he enabled the wifi, and the only way to stop it was pressing the power button. I couldn't figure out the cause, and there was many unnecessary things coming with the OS, so I helped him to install Arch instead. Now, it works well and feels clean.

EDIT: based on the comments, the issue happened with arch too.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Odds are it would have come up on a regular Arch install too, and simply reinstalling is what fixed it.

EndeavourOS is essentially just a GUI installer for Arch with some defaults changed.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

If this was a recent occurrence, it may have been from the 6.6.5 kernel. There was a WiFi regression in that version that did exactly that, slowed the system to an absolute crawl. I got hit by it on my PC and ended up hosing my whole install (because I panicked and botched things up), but my laptop was fine. I finally got things reinstalled a couple days later when 6.6.6 was released, which fixed the regression anyway.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 10 months ago (6 children)

if you feel comfortable with Debian based distros (or at least, to my understanding), why not use... Debian? or a Debian based system?

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

Have you considered using Arch on which Manjaro is based?

This way you won't have issues with AUR. It's not hard to install, you can use archinstall helper if you want, it's available in the default installation media.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

If they want a full-fledged system running Arch, then EndeavourOS might be the best bet. Archinstall is great for quickly installing Arch but there's still quite a lot of set-up required after that, and for some people, they don't really want to do that. EndeavourOS is essentially a ready-made Arch set up (or as another person said here, a very opinionated Arch install), and is based on Arch's repos but has its own extra repo for its own software while Manjaro holds the packages back for two weeks (which creates sync problems with, say, the AUR)

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (4 children)

there's also Endeavour which I'm pretty sure uses the Arch repos

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Uses exactly the Arch repos and kernel. EndeavourOS is more like an opinionated Arch install than a stand-alone distro. This is not a negative comment as I am an enthusiastic EndeavourOS user.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

EndeavourOS is more like an opinionated Arch install

Fellow EOS user and this is a hilarious yet accurate description. Still have vanilla arch but EOS on my laptop now since I tend to mess with it often.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago (13 children)

I'm out of the loop, why is Manjaro considered a "bad distro" ?

I have used it for quite some time now, and I enjoy it, i find it fairly simple, fast and pretty.

Is there something I'm missing ?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (6 children)

It feels like a fork for the sake of "I use arch BTW"

It doesn't add anything of value on top of "vanilla" arch, but they still manage to break stuff that works in Arch, occasionally ddos AUR and if I recall correctly there was some controversy because the developers were assholes

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Going to weigh in, manjaro devs are kinda incompetent. They've ddosed the aur twice in the exact same way, showing that they hadn't done anything to solve the inherent issue. Their ssl certs keep expiring, even though auto-renewal takes about ten minutes to set up while telling their users to "change your clocks time" as a patch solution while they fix their certs once (which took hours).

Their head arm developer sent a patch to asahi linux which broke x-org, showing he shipped code without so much as running the thing to test making a change well known and documented to cause this error with zero benefit to the project or his commit. This, after manjaro claimed that "manjaro works on the macbook m1" by using the asahi kernal with a full on campaign, shipping a random kernel from the release page which was known to be broken. It would not turn on, and could easily have broken users systems. Asahi at the time simply did not work, nor would it for a while.

They keep making dumb mistakes learning nothing and not asking for help when it's obviously needed. Their two week delay, though it fixes some issues, commonly still ships known broken updates when unnecessary.

They put the aur directly next to flatpack and snap in pamac without a proper warning. The aur is dangerous, you need to know how to use it, and to read the pkgbuild. Anybody can put any app up there and you'll be running arbitrary code on the system. Flatpack and snaps are quite safe, the aur is not. A while ago, a guy put a list of people who can "fuck themselves", insults, and homophobic statements alongside two calls to a IP grabber in the dolphin emulator package. When there's malware on linux, the aur is likely to be the first targeted

They've made many suggestions in their forums that lead to bad habits, putting more stress on arch devs and their servers.

It's due to the continual incompetence of the devs, them damaging other projects they depend on, and the devs being quite unfriendly in the forums that people hate manjaro. I'd love to see it become better as the concept is a decent one but with the current leadership and work being done I have to caution against it's use

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

My problem with Manjaro was that they continually kept their repos behind arch while still depending on the aur and other arch infrastructure. This caused problems like aur packages not being buildable, and software that used the arch debuginfod server being unusable.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Read the screenshot by OP. Can confirm that, too

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I've been running Manjaro for about 5 years, and it's still running solid.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Mostly due to how the team behind Manjaro acts. Personally have been using plain arch for years while my Manjaro installation fucked itself after half a year.

A small compilation can be found in the link below: https://github.com/arindas/manjarno

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

God damn these replies are braindead

https://forum.puppylinux.com/viewtopic.php?t=5658

Auto script that builds and installs for both Debian and Fedora.

Unfortunately, no RPMs exist on repos and COPR, which is Fedora's AUR.

spoiler

Although considering the AUR package hasn't been updated since June of last year, I doubt having a COPR build will be beneficial.

Nevertheless, it would be useful to have an available RPM. If I get time, I can submit one to COPR.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You van try creating an arch linux distrobox and install yay inside that

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

Don't understand why you're being downvoted, this is definitely the cleanest solution.
There's also a new handy app to manage the containers of distrobox: BoxBuddy, I've just noticed it switched to Rust and GTK now and, even better, it's right there on Flathub!

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Did someone really manage to convince you that Fedora would be more stable than Manjaro?

For the record, I've been using Manjaro for 3 years without any reinstall on my main laptop and I still haven't witnessed any stability issue. My experience with Fedora has not been similar at all...

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Not to contradict your experience. More for my own understanding. Do you use the AUR much?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

Not OP but I'm using 82 AUR packages right now and I still agree.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

EndeavourOS is probably what you are looking for. Almost vanilla arch with a desktop capable package base, calameres GUI installer, no delayed updates, and some neet build hooks

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Syncterm seems to be available in nixpkgs. It's trivial to install Nix (the package manager, not NixOS the system) on top of any system you choose and then add one or two packages you need, in this case just Syncterm.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Consider building it from source. A quick websearch for Syncterm Fedora and Syncterm Build had a few tutorials.

Or try taking a look at the AUR pkgbuild file, it's basically an install script, might give you clues on how to build it yourself if you want to experiment and learn :)

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

You can just install Arch in a distrobox if you want or a debian + children in a distrobox, install the app and it should launch from your launcher like any other app you use. Distrobox is fantastic.

When I need to install something from the AUR, I just enter my Arch distrobox and do it, same for Ubuntu and stuff.

Edit:

I forgot to mention that you'll need to use the distrobox-export command to make it so you can launch an app like any other easily from your launcher.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Why do people use the aur on manjaro? I thought they specifically say that the aur is not supported on manjaro.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Why use an Arch-based distro if you can't use the AUR? It's like one of the most, if not the most defining feature of them

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

AUR is also not supported on Arch, so support has nothing to do with it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

On Arch the AUR is made specifically for arch users so while not supported by the distro Arch is supported by the aur.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (5 children)

I have no idea what syncterm is, a link would be useful. I can only find scetchy things.

But you write that it's available for debian. Then just use distrobox and installl syncterm in a debian image and export it.

  1. Install distrobox https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Distrobox
  2. Use prefered image https://github.com/toolbx-images/images
  3. Use debians package manager and install package
  4. Export if needed https://github.com/89luca89/distrobox/blob/main/docs/usage/distrobox-export.md
  5. Enjoy
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[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If you don’t want to use Nix packages or DistroBox, you can try an alternative which is in the fedora repository, like Qodem

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