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Elon Musk: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO) (www.youtube.com)

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago

Whoever wrote the line "He looks like a redpilled Chip from Rescue Rangers" deserves a fucking raise lmao

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

As I said on another post:

This segment was sort of a let down, because the same lies about reusable rockets were repeated without researching them apparently. Some of musk’s most agreed upon accomplishments were achieved 30-40 years ago, but people on TV can’t help but give him the accolades.

Also not much digging into the Starlink for Ukraine debacle, or the fact that he didn’t actually donate all that hardware, didn’t donate the service, and it wasn’t being used in nearly the capacity initially reported because the people receiving the units were happy to bullshit for him as long as they got gear to use.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What are the lies about the reusable boosters?

Imo it's really an important milestone in rocketry. What launch vehicle in history has been better in terms of reusability and reliability than the Falcon 9 series? And how often could they launch and what was the turnaround of those reusable parts?

I haven't followed SpaceX closely in a few years (Elon is crazy and it has gotten pretty boring (but impressive) with the constant launches) so I are not that up to date. But last I checked, a lot of the launches used reused first stages and in some cases the stages had been used 3 times.

A quick search query finds that the record is a booster having been reused 16 times. Hell they even reuse the fairing these days.

The space shuttles are cool but they waste quite a lot and they are very expensive.

And no I don't like Elon but I have to give credit where credit is due. SpaceX is a game changer in rocketry, nothing even comes close.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

SpaceX did not pioneer reusable launch systems. Flat out. They've been experimented with since the 1960s, commercial companies were experimenting with them in the 1990s. Even the name FALCON comes from a project DARPA was working on.

There was also this famously reusable system in the US called Shuttle Launch System, consisting of a reusable shuttle, two reusable solid boosters, and an expendable extension tank.

Hell they even reuse the fairing these days.

No they don't, they stopped that attempt because recovering them was pointless and difficult.

The space shuttles are cool but they waste quite a lot and they are very expensive.

Yes, imagine if we used a capsule system like Russia kept using.

give credit where credit is due

Ok, then start thanking the people that developed these things in the 60s through the 90s.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

No one has said that they invented reusable launch systems.

They did very much perfect them though.

No one else has been able to reuse boosters with the frequency and reliability of the Falcon 9. In fact no one has been able to produce any rocket whatsoever with a better reliability than the Falcon 9

Sure the shuttle had reusable boosters but the turnaround time was significant because they landed in the sea using a parachute.

Yes, imagine if we used a capsule system like Russia kept using.

What capsule system are you refering to? I am not familiar with it. Btw SpaceX does have a reusable capsule.

No they don't, they stopped that attempt because recovering them was pointless and difficult.

I couldn't find any indication that they have stopped recovering the fairings, quite the opposite actually. Article from November: https://www.space.com/spacex-starlink-payload-fairing-recovery-sea-photo

It seems like they have stopped with the net boats though. It was apparently too hard to catch them and fairing is supposedly not that hard to clean. So they just pick up from the water.

Ok, then start thanking the people that developed these things in the 60s through the 90s.

True. But do we have to thank them every single time someone bring up SpaceX? That's ridiculous. One can't claim to invent such an obvious concept and demand credit 20-70 years later for something that is also reusable but not similar in any other way.

It's not like those old systems are anywhere close to how SpaceX is operating nowadays anyways.

It's not like we thank Carl Benz every time someone makes a good car in the 2023

[+] [email protected] -11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No one has said that they invented reusable launch systems.

That's a lie. Tons of people say this EXACT thing.

No one else has been able to reuse boosters with the frequency and reliability of the Falcon 9

Incorrect. Russia was reusing rockets back in the 1950s for atmospheric research. Stop doing Musk's marketing for him.

In fact no one has been able to produce any rocket whatsoever with a better reliability than the Falcon 9

Also a lie. I'm not even here saying Falcon is some unreliable POS. I simply pointed out that it wasn't the first reusable rocket, it's not the first commercial space company, and it's not the first vertically landing rocket. Now here you are coming up with all this other bullshit nobody's talking about. I wonder why someone would come to this thread and make up arguments to defend against if not to simp for Musk himself.

Sure the shuttle had reusable boosters but the turnaround time was significant because they landed in the sea using a parachute.

Please detail for the class what "significant" means and how long the process was. Keep in mind I have seen NASA's public documentation on the refurbishment. Also, again, SHUTTLE WAS COMPLETELY REUSABLE.

What capsule system are you refering to?

You've lost track of your own chain of thought, so I guess I'd say go back and re-read your comment. Then recall that before Shuttle existed, the US used a capsule system.

supposedly not that hard to clean.

Yet you had a problem with shuttle SRB being cleaned. Hmm. Interesting double standard there.

But do we have to thank them every single time someone bring up SpaceX?

I don't know, do people have to repeat the same SpaceX lies or jerk elon off every time someone mentions anything tangentially related to space? Seems so.

It’s not like those old systems are anywhere close to how SpaceX is operating nowadays anyways.

SpaceX is a literal fucking copy of several previous systems as described in the 1960s. I understand that space history starts in 2006 for most of you Musk fans, but wow.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You should calm down a bit.

Incorrect. Russia was reusing rockets back in the 1950s for atmospheric research. Stop doing Musk's marketing for him.

I didn't say the spaceX was the first.

Also a lie. I'm not even here saying Falcon is some unreliable POS. I simply pointed out that it wasn't the first reusable rocket, it's not the first commercial space company, and it's not the first vertically landing rocket. Now here you are coming up with all this other bullshit nobody's talking about. I wonder why someone would come to this thread and make up arguments to defend against if not to simp for Musk himself.

What rocket is more reliable? I may be wrong, but it wasn't a lie. Can't you just argue in good faith?

Neither I or the video claimed it was the first reusable rocket. I didn't claim it was the first commercial space company. I didn't claim it was the first vertically landing rocket.

Keep in mind I have seen NASA's public documentation on the refurbishment

Could you link it? I am interested in reading it.

I don't remember where I read that the SRBs were hard to clean but it makes a lot of sense because engines are complicated and salt water is a bitch.

I would be happy to be proved wrong though. As long as you calm down.

You've lost track of your own chain of thought, so I guess I'd say go back and re-read your comment. Then recall that before Shuttle existed, the US used a capsule system.

Lol. I thought you meant some kind of impressive system. You just meant the normal crew capsules. How are those relevant?

Yet you had a problem with shuttle SRB being cleaned. Hmm. Interesting double standard there.

There just seems like there is a huge difference between cleaning an SRB and a fairing... I didn't have a "problem" with it. It's just that I have heard that the shuttle SRBs were hard to clean.

SpaceX is a literal fucking copy of several previous systems as described in the 1960s.

Yeah, no. Sure a few other rockets were also partly reusable but that doesn't make it a copy.

It's called an improvement.

I am all for improvements but if you want everything to be stuck in first iterations then go ahead.

I understand that space history starts in 2006 for most of you Musk fans, but wow.

Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them a fan of Elon Musk.

Have you ever tried having an argument without attacking the opponent?

[+] [email protected] -7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'll cut this very short, because you people talk out both sides of your mouth.

Can’t you just argue in good faith?

How about this. If you're attempting to "argue in good faith", then try researching something before you write it down. That's probably a good start in "good faith" debate, right? You want to make statements, without researching them, and then get bent out of shape when I call you out on it and say I'm not arguing in good faith.

Like. Do you not see the hypocrisy with that?

How are those relevant?

... YOU BROUGHT UP RUSSIAN CAPSULES. You tell me. Holy hell.

There just seems like there is a huge difference between cleaning an SRB and a fairing

Seems? So, your opinion based on absolutely nothing but a guess is that it seems like it's hard to do. And again, you talk about arguing in good faith when I even told you NASA publishes their SRB refurbishment documentation. Why, if you wanted to argue in good faith, didn't you go look for that document? Surely that's step one in an actual good faith debate, no? Learning about the topic?

I would be happy to be proved wrong though

Then go look at the document. In good faith

Yeah, no. Sure a few other rockets were also partly reusable but that doesn’t make it a copy.

This demonstrates how little you know about the history of vehicles and launch systems. You could do an iota of reading, but instead you're here just saying whatever feels right.

Tell me, do you think Hyper Loop was an original idea or do you think it was a carbon copy of a previously debunked idiotic idea? If Hype Loop was a BS copy of an extremely old idea resurrected by con men every so often, why wouldn't Falcon be? I mean, after all, the name Falcon is awfully close the DARPA's FALCON project, which started just a few years before Elon started hiring people for SpaceX. Everything the guy does is a cheap knock off of something someone else has already done.

Anyway, go ahead and look up those refurbishment documents, since you're so dedicated to good faith debate. Maybe when you're done reading them you'll realize why people that come through here just making up their own answers based on their feelings is annoying.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

How about this. If you're attempting to "argue in good faith", then try researching something before you write it down. That's probably a good start in "good faith" debate, right? You want to make statements, without researching them, and then get bent out of shape when I call you out on it and say I'm not arguing in good faith.

No I just want to have an argument without constant insults and language from a 5 year old. Grow up dude.

YOU BROUGHT UP RUSSIAN CAPSULES. You tell me. Holy hell.

You brought up capsules at all, lol. Are you drunk or something 😂

Tell me, do you think Hyper Loop was an original idea or do you think it was a carbon copy of a previously debunked idiotic idea? If Hype Loop was a BS copy of an extremely old idea resurrected by con men every so often, why wouldn't Falcon be? I mean, after all, the name Falcon is awfully close the DARPA's FALCON project, which started just a few years before Elon started hiring people for SpaceX. Everything the guy does is a cheap knock off of something someone else has already done.

I don't care about the hyper loop. I really don't care about old DARPA projects. The interesting part about the Falcon 9 is that it actually exists and does its job extremely well.

You haven't provided me with anything that actually matters, all you have done is whine at Musk. Like who cares if it's somewhat reusable rockets existed before the Falcon 9. The Falcon 9 objectively made it much more efficient and has done a lot of improvements that no one has done before.

I don't like Musk either, but I don't have to deny reality just because I have a hate boner.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

No I just want to have an argument without constant insults and language from a 5 year old

I'm pretty convinced by your lack of looking up the actual NASA documentation, which is freely available, and your hypocritical call for "good faith" argument, that you're an un-serious person here just to support your favorite fraudster billionaire.

I don’t like Musk either,

An obvious lie, since there's no other way to explain your complete refusal to go look up a basic fact instead of repeating marketing nonsense.

So, at this point I'm back to you being a liar since you have to intentionally choose not to know what you're talking about and instead base your position on vibes. I'm uninterested in your opinion, you've demonstrated your inability to use facts, so we're pretty well done here.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Surprised that he didn't mention his emerald mine starting capital

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Other than an interview from his father there's no evidence of it and Elon denys it. The mine was unofficial and there's no paper trail. It's a risky claim to make from a journalistic perspective.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

Thankfully it's not journalism. It's comedy. I know it's hard to tell the difference, but here's a tip: comedians are far more likely to tell the truth these days.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Love me a nice unofficial mine

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Sometimes a mine just a hole in the ground with some valuable minerals. They paid locals to work it and sold the emeralds on the down low according to his dad, he had a partner. It wasn't a huge operation. But it paid their bills and then some.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Last episode of the season, sadly, but a good one to go out on.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Would be nice if HBO Max aired it promptly. Why is this on YouTube and not on the channel I'm paying for it on? Frustrating.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Why are you paying for a service that's jerking you around?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Asking myself that right this minute.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yo ho, citizen...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I use the internet almost exclusively on a phone these days. Less convenient for the yohoing.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

You might be surprised how simple that can be, even via mobile devices. Good luck out there, citizen. ✊🏼

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Maybe he's in a brothel.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

I bet he loved this, last we tonight doing a whole segment on him.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Not available in my country. Anyone else lookin for a mirror: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Eo3zORUGCbM

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Blacklisted regions: AU, CA, GB, IS, NZ

Maybe use VPN? Or install LibreTube if you're on Android

https://f-droid.org/packages/com.github.libretube/