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I'm interested in getting an electric motorcycle, but something I've been wondering:

ICE motorcycles can be loud, and that can act as a safety feature, especially when lane splitting. I'm thinking about Los Angeles, where motorcycles regularly weave through bumper-to-bumper car traffic. The noise they make helps prevent riders from getting accidentally doored.

Do electric motorcycles have any kind of artificial noise maker to achieve the same thing? Or does anyone sell a device that does this?

Note that I'm not talking about generic speakers, because

  1. I don't want to have to blast music all the time just for safety, and
  2. most speaker kits are pointed BACK at the driver, not FORWARD towards traffic.

Anyone know the answer?

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I question the premise entirely. I've seen "loud pipes are safer" quoted endlessly, but never any data to back it up.

Are there already quiet scooters weaving through traffic? If so I wouldn't be any more worried on a quiet bike.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

"loud pipes are safer"

Its not. And the sound is pointing the wrong direction for most crashes.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I'm very irritated when loud motorcycles drive by. It's noise pollution, it's antisocial.

Some googling came up with this chart, listing motorcycles as 4-8 times louder than cars.

This post refers to a Romanian study which found loud motorcycles are not more likely to be heard by drivers unless right next to the vehicle.

With the advent of electric motorcycles there should be regulations mandating they have the same volume ceiling as other vehicles.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They weave through slow moving city traffic, not highway traffic anywhere I've seen.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Weaving through fast traffic is never safe, no matter how loud you are.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago

That doesn't stop people from doing it, and it also doesn't invalidate the statement that louder is safer in that context.

Scooters and motorcycles are not and will never be the same.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

Quiet scooters arent on highways and interstates- places where traffic will still back up and lane splitting is perfectly legal, even with traffic still moving.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most exhaust pipes are pointed BACK. if loud pipes actually helped in any significant amount, they'd point them forwards.

Always ride as if invisible, sound deadening in cars is getting better anyways.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Most exhaust pipes are pointed BACK.

And then there are the assholes who remove the dampening parts out of the exhaust so they can hear their bike roaring even when they are riding fast...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Pretty sure your answer is going to be no. The ONLY way to do this would be a horn or speaker system pointed forward like you mentioned which would have to be speed controlled, otherwise it would just be a constant siren of sorts. That being impractical and likely not well sought after, I dont think anything exists. Like other commenters have already said, scooters and such quiet, small displacement bikes dont have any noise enhancement and have never needed it- BUT they are primarily used in slower-speed city-type traffic, not out on higher speed highways and interstates (regardless of the actual speed of traffic flow when lane splitting is utilized).

I understand your concern, though. I used to commute daily on 2 wheels in the Bay Area on highways and on I-80 and people definitely could hear me and would move over when they could, and my bike isnt even “loud”- just a 900cc Triumph. Sometimes they wouldnt realize they were on the center line blocking progress and you could blip the throttle and then they’d notice and move over- something you wont be able to do on an electric bike, short of just beeping the horn i guess. It was a nice, reassuring feeling that you knew that THEY knew you were there. Not to mention i’ve been in a cage plenty of times and heard motorcycles well before ive seen them, so again…noise is justified.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Awesome! It is kinda odd that electric vehicles have to have noise generators at lower speeds for safety reasons, why dont motorcycles?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

To answer your question: Not that Iv'e ever heard of.

But just FYI. Speakers can make all kinds of sounds, not just music. They can make beeps and sirens too. They can even make motorcycle ICE sounds if you wanted to. Speakers can also be pointed in any direction. So if you want you can totally have speakers blast motorcycle sounds all around for safety.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If your plan is to be an asshole on a motorcycle and break traffic laws and weave around inside other drivers’ blind spots you deserve to get doored, among other things.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's legal to lane share in California.

Even if it wasn't, wishing physical injury on someone for minor infractions is unkind and unreasonable.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Seriously. Can't believe there's a "He shouldn't have resisted!" guy on Lemmy