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Hey! Thanks to the whole Reddit mess, I’ve discovered the fediverse and its increidible wonders and I’m lovin’ it :D

I’ve seen another post about karma, and after reading the comments, I can see there is a strong opinion against it (which I do share). I’d love to hear your opinions, what other method/s would you guys implement? If any ofc

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

The worst part about using reddit when I first signed up was having to deal with celebrity redditors with bajillions of karma sucking all the air out of any thread they visited. Thankfully, it seems like over time people calmed down a bit with that, or maybe I just started browing non-defaults with more tight-knit communities, but you still have dumb novelty accounts that kind of ruin the experience (if you've ever been got by /u/shittymorph, you know what I'm talking about).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

The problem isn't the points, it's the people. Everything starts to suck beyond some critical mass.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Karma should have a half-life, so it's not a forever thing. Have each karma point lose half of its value every three days. Makes it more transitory.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I still firmly believe one of the worst things to happen to the internet, besides pop-up ads, is up and down votes. Nothing exposes a misanthrope quicker than forcing them to comment instead of passively downvoting everything they see. Which makes it easier to remove them from the party.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Non-algorithmic ordering, auto-collapse replies after a certain user-preferred setting.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

MeowMeowBeenz would work wonders.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This may be a dumb Idee so please go ahead and tell me if it is. It seem ppl use it to know who to block in advance. What if you get a red name or some kind of info on the profile if the account has been blocked by other users and it is above 10 or 20 blocks? Would that help? That would suck for that account because it will forever be the ass hole account. But at least no one would really want to farm that except the trolls who want ppl to know they are trolls.

I like how it is now tho. It is good when the mods are responsible first and foremost instead of a system.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I like that way of thinking, however, people could exploit that. Imagine you are in a chat about colour blue, then you say colour red is better. You get downvoted for having an opinion different from others. That would make people follow the hive-mind so their colour doesn’t turn red

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

wait, are you saying ppl would block the person with a different opinion so their account 's name turns red (essentially bulling) so it will make other ppl block that person too even tho the person said something like "red is my favorite color!"?... ppl are scary. I guess we shouldn't have a system then because we can't have nice things :(

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's very easily abused. Does Karma affect article and comment visibility on Reddit? I don't know the details, but if so I'd suggest that it not do so here. Maybe just have it be a number calculated from boosts, upvotes and downvotes that you can see on the profile if you are a mod trying to determine if someone tends to troll, but not something that has any affect on whether or not your stuff is displayed.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

We need the karma-equivalent of PageRank. Every vote should not be treated the same, just as Google doesn't weight every link equally. The "one user one vote" system is the equivalent of pre-Google search engines that would rank pages by how many times they contained the search term. But it can't be as simple as "votes from higher-karma users are worth more" because the easiest way to build insane karma is to build a bot or spam low-effort replies to every rising post. Still, the system needs to be able to extract the wisdom of the crowd from the stupidity of the crowd, and the only way to do that is to apply a weighting gradient to users and their votes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

How would you separate the wisdom of the crowd from its stupidity?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

People like big numbers. Karma systems exist because they encourage posting and engagement. Stifling growth because Karma is toxic is bad for everyone in the long run. What matters is growth.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I for one wish we could return to the lawlessness of old phpBB boards from the late 90s. Weren't no karma points to work any back then.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Those boards were rife with toxicity. You’d have secret rooms with people attacking a commenter behind their back. Created a very ‘with us or against us’ vibe. Then it would hit a boiling point and spill out as a public attack on a commenter. It made the bullying premeditated and targeted.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think the awards system from Reddit could work, just without it being monetized. The awards let you see how people feel about the comment, and it’s more than just good/bad, like/dislike.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Another user mentioned something like that! I like the idea :D

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