It goes a step further than that, once you have a pardon, there are no fifth amendment protections for questions about it anymore. Because with the pardon, you don't need protection.

Aren't pardons only for convictions. Have them plead and specify the deads so they have immunity

Then charge them elsewhere. Tax them. Civil suits.

Yeah, pardons don't make sense unless you believe that executives can never do wrong.

Which is a very strange belief to have as people in the process of rebelling against a king because he made decisions they didn't like.

Kings had the power of pardon and they were creating a replacement for a king.

I like your thinking.

It isn't. That's the whole point of the pardon. It was just never imagined that pardons would be used the way they are today. Oh and SCOTUS' godawful ruling on executive immunity.

And if it is, the executive should list explicitly what crimes, on what days, against which individuals, cannot be brought to trial.

They aren't a thing. You can only pardon a crime that's already been commited, not for future crimes.

Also Trump violated his oath of office within 72 hours of this term beginning, so technically none of his pardons mean anything from this term and can just be reversed.

He wasn't legitimately serving in capacity of the president since he abdicated his office by violating his oath.

Even though this would never happen, it's a very good argument against this power. Well done sir.

he's used his money to commit crimes, he'll do it again. the fact he has so fucking much of it is too great a temptation.

civil forfeiture of all of it should definitely be on-the-table.

if a redneck sheriff can take a black guy's cash (it might have come from drugs) that he was takin' to pay ma's rent... muskrat's money.. hell, all those fukfaces' money.. should be fair game for the taking.

Hit him where it really hurts.

You know Vance said that openly, right?

“I think that his historical legacy is enjoying a bit of a renaissance — but I think deservedly so,” Vance said of Nixon. “As I joked … backstage, if Watergate happened tomorrow, it would be like a 12-hour news story. Like, the idea that it would have taken down a presidency is crazy.”

https://www.cnn.com/2026/06/26/politics/jd-vance-richard-nixon-corruption

Nixon was surpassed by Iran/Contra.

Ronnie Raygun had the largest number in history (138) for the number of people in an administration that were investigated, indicted or convicted. And the conservatives spent most of the 90s and beyond agitating to have stuff named after him, and to put that asshole on our money and on Mt. Rushmore...

They would have had the country built shrines to the guy if they had their way. They have zero shame.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandals_of_the_Reagan_administration

In the near future American children will not be told about the crap Nixon did at all.

He’s saying the quiet part out loud. He will do it. Once the cat is out of the bag, that’s it.

Let me know when he floats face down in the reflecting pool

You’re gonna be really sad when you miss that headline…

Don't feed the trolls. When you argue with a troll, you are entering a competition to see who has more free time. You will lose, because you have a life and the troll does not. Do not EVER respond to trolls.

I've been saying this about Trump since 2014. Shame nobody followed that advice up to this point, and likely never will.