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[–] 7 points 4 hours ago (1 child)

The only intelligent people that I trust are those that use drugs and drink until they drop!

If you deny to consume those things than you ate dumb!

What? It's obvious that it can lead you to a downwards spiral, into alcoholism, a life of mental problems and struggles? Create a toxic environment around you, make your family worry and suffer because of those actions? Makes the world a even worse place? Oh well that's on you being weak, you should've been smart and know how to use the things well.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 hours ago

    It's weird that you only trust people who take drugs to exess and harm.

    I too only trust people who take drugs, but not those who harm themselves and those around them with excess. Caffeine, prescription drugs, recreational drugs too if they don't do as you suggest, those are fine.

    I don't really trust anyone who would turn down a vaccine or antibiotic. Those people are even worse than the heavy drug users. They take neurotic beliefs to the point of harm even worse than the "destroy the family with drug use" people.

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  • [–] 21 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

    Why does everyone who starts using AI always devolve into posting like this?

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  • [–] 17 points 4 hours ago

    it's crack for burnt out programmers who don't enjoy the process of creating software anymore. You get to have results without putting in any work of your own. In corpo-world where everything is a metric, outputting massive amounts of code quickly and effortlessly is a great thing. For the others who actually enjoy making something it's a useless tool.

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  • [–] 29 points 7 hours ago (8 children)

    This might get me banned here but I mostly agree with him

    AI is a tool and the problem world wide is that nearly everyone is using the tool wrong

    But used right, it can be a huge benefit. We know how deeply checked and tested all code is (who doesn't remember the continuous Linus rants?) so why does it matter if submitted code covers a bug that was discovered through AI, or even written by AI? As long as the code checkers know and understand what happens, I dont see the problem with the code having been written by a tool

    Obligatory AI doesn't exist, its LLM's, and LLM's are tools, and tools are fine as long as you use them well.

    If companies suddenly started making two meter long chainsaws and people started running around with these chainsaws cutting little girls in half, then yeah, people would rightly question if we shouldn't ban those tools too.

    Force AI companies to be responsible for how their products are used and wait to see how fast things would get better.

    And for developers: as long as every commit is reviewed and checked by humans, to me its just another tool being used to make Linux better

    For those arguing the water of energy and the theft of intellectual property, it's the same point: governments need to put rules in place to control the stupid growth of data centers, AI companies must be held yo account for the data they've stolen, absolutely. However, that doesn't mean that LLM's are tools without any use

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  • [–] 3 points 4 hours ago (1 child)

    AI is a tool and the problem world wide is that nearly everyone is using the tool wrong

    Maybe if the tool is so finicky that it's practically impossible to get right, it's a bad tool? For sure millions of programmers are just prompting it wrong... Can't be that it's just not as great a tool as the AI overlords claim

    As long as the code checkers know and understand what happens, I dont see the problem with the code having been written by a tool

    Until the code checkers resort to LLMs because the agentic coders submit so much code for review. I will just let AI run over this one time, what could go wrong? I'll tell AI to generate test cases beforehand to make sure it gets the implementation right. Bad tests never lead to problems right?

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  • [–] 3 points 3 hours ago

    Or maybe, just maybe people eating up a constant stream of propaganda produced by those whose whole financial future is tied to AI being the universal solution to every problem (and some they have to create in the first place) are indeed a problem.

    Just because 24/7 advertising tells you to hammer in screws doesn't mean it's the smart thing to do. And neither does it show how useless a hammer is as a tool.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

    This might get me banned here but I mostly agree with him

    I have seen a turn in the tide in the past few months. Whereas online forums discussing LLM tools for coding used to be near 100% brigade against them with mostly bluff and bluster and no real basis for the arguments, attitudes have been softening. I actually read one rather long thread with 90%+ support for the tools - not blind enthusiasm with no evidence, but clear statements from users about what is working well for them and what still needs improvement. All in all, work with the new tools seems to be going better "in the trenches" than work without used to.

    In the end, it doesn't matter if you wrote the code, an LLM wrote the code, your cat tapped it out, or aliens communicated it by blinking their home sun... you check it, it works to your satisfaction, you submit it for review and merge for use by others. In all those scenarios, it's "your code" - the LLM, your cat, aliens, none of them are going to stand up and defend the quality of the product. If you don't really understand why what your cat wrote works, you probably shouldn't sumbit it. Especially the alien code should be carefully examined before running, but at the end analysis it's the code that matters, not its provenance.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 hours ago (1 child)

    I don't think the arguments against it had no basis. It's clear that those tools have become really useful, but a huge chunk of those arguments are ethical about the environmental and economic impact.

    What I'm seeing is that those arguments are beign faded out, along with those that talked about it as if LLMs didn't work as expected.

    They are clearly useful now, and it can't be said that they aren't anymore, but those example that Linus gave minify the other problems and it makes it seems that anyone that does not abide by AI is a fool and an elitist, which I don't think that's the case.

    I think that this position makes how you wrote your matter for some people.

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    [–] 32 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (27 children)

    Lol, I could kind of understand (not really support) his use of AI. While I doubt it's something you can do for long without starting to make compromises, people who were a really good programmers before will probably use it responsibly for a while, until their skills inevitably erode and (more importantly) their willpower slowly runs out.

    But this argument made me loose all my respect for him. It's so utterly stupid. I hate it when i have to check my assembly code line by line, because it's not guaranteed that the compiler will compile the same code I've written deterministically, and basically just randomizes what it outputs. Or when my editor does not save what I typed, and instead decides based on a random language statistics what to actually save, so I have to double-check my text word-by-word every time.

    Oh, wait. No, because the tools are deterministic, and that doesn't happen. But of course, adding randomness into your workflow, where you have to focus and review everything line-by-line, is the same as using deterministic tools, lol.

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    [–] 34 points 8 hours ago

    This is a seriously weak and narrow argument. First off, the parallel drawn with existing tools is shallow. When was the last time an editor or a compiler promised to replace employees? Which of those notably accelerates climate catastrophe? Which one of those is the biggest theft of labor in the history of humanity? Everything is political. Externalizing the social and environmental cost of the major LLMs is taking a clear stance in favour of the late stage capitalistic tech empires currently taking shape.

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  • [–] 31 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (10 children)

    I thought it was devastating to lose Steve Yegge to AI psychosis. But damn. This is... unspeakably bad. Like if the guy in charge of the CDC decided Tylenol caused autism or like if the guy who controls the U.S. military decided it was a good idea to bomb Iran.

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    [–] 25 points 8 hours ago (1 child)

    He's drunk the AI Kool-Aid.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

    Well, it was nice while it lasted.

    *slaps an orange flag over the tux sticker on my laptop*

    2027 will be the year of the NetBSD desktop, guys!

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