So long Linux. You hung in there just to sell out in the end. This is far worse.
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Torvalds’s first publicly released chatbot code was in January this year, when he vibe-coded a project in Python because he didn’t know enough Python. The programming language kids learn in high school. The guy who runs the kernel couldn’t get his head around Python.
I'm pissed at the AI companies for all kinds of things like hiking computer parts prices and the impending destruction of the economy when the lies hype dies. But this is a weak ass argument.
The guy who created the Linux kernel and git can absolutely get his head around Python. He's just allocating his time and energy toward kernel development rather than learning Python and rightly so. Besides, maybe he just hates the language. I know I do, but I started with Perl, so that shaped the way I like to work.
I'll take a neutral source to read this, because the headline suggests this article is at the very least over hyping and at worst plain lying
Been a bit of a bother trying to find the actual info and not a rage piece that makes FOX News look sane. And I don't touch that agency with an 11ft pole.
From what I remember reading, Linus uses LLMs to help during bug hunting - the second pair of eyes. This is actually a useful part of the AI models - they may be awful at code writing, but they do seem to have some capability when looking over code as a first line proofer. That is, it's useful for you to get a direction as to where to look further with issues.
As for the Assisted-By tag being removed, it was a matter that no one was really using it, making it functionally useless.
The most disappointing aspect of using AI on linux, to me, is that it sort of implies linux is now more comfortable with the "move fast and break things" -mindset, now caring more about "efficiency" and "speed" rather than integrity and quality.
Linus is a traitor to Open Source community. Using and promoting a tool created by stealing the works of thousands of developers, artists etc. He might be a good programmer but he is a fucking douchebag.
Its really sad, Linus used to be a champion of open source and now hes doing his best to ruin it.
You either die a hero...
I'll start with fuck AI, but it does feel like most of the people commenting here only know about coding and AI from stories around a campfire.
A good developer will consider the tools and choose the ones that are beneficial. It's crazy that people think somebody like Linus will suddenly be useless because of AI.
If you take all of the civilization level atrocities being committed constantly by ai companies and their fascist supporters...eh maybe?
I think more developers and engineers need to work on their busted ass moral compasses.
Developers and engineers aren’t fans of AI. It’s our stolen work being used to try and surpress our wages & replace our trade.
Software engineer writing code for a living, day in, day out for over a decade. I'm completely self taught and never went to uni, and got my first role at 20, if that means anything. I trust nothing from Claude. We just had a "write no code have claude complete in automode". Nope. It's horrible. We even had it write the jira stories. Complete shit.
And yet, from experience as a software dev currently on job hunt because his company is switching mostly only AI developing, that is not what companies are doing and not what a lot of devs seem to be doing. They'll vibe code and see it as done
In the near future (and I suspect it's quite sooner than we thought) all those companies' codebase will turn into mostly slopcode that no one there will have enough knowledge about it. They will eventually hit a timeline where only AI agents could still do a thing about it and that will be a huge crash for them. It's suppose to be a tool, they act like it's everything they need. Maybe we'll even see that their software is changing inconsistently in every major update because they have to vibe-code it from scratch every time.
This article seems biased given how emotional it is. It could be entirely factually correct yet still misrepresent the situation. For example, there's no mention of the patch criteria or review procedure, which is such an important part of fairly covering this topic that omitting it is actively malicious.
I'll be waiting for fair coverage of the situation from a reputable news source, not a website whose sole purpose is to make AI and its users look bad.
It's kind of incredible to me that the dude that started this project would be so quick to allow it to become slopped.
I'm forced to use LLMs at work myself, but even I have projects that I'm unwilling to let them touch, and I'm talking about a personal text editor for fuck's sake, not something I've spent my whole life building and attached my name to.
So many people have become shameless garbage.
This exactly! I don't understand how one would let an LLM touch their passion projects. I don't mind someone quickly slopping together a little python script for something, but I would never let it touch my babies. It'd be like buying a self-assembling lego set. Sure the end result is the same, but is the end result why someone buys a lego set?
Only TempleOS is safe now
No one should be surprised.
Man's got a massive ego problem, and has done for years. Of course he'd think his AI code is good.
Thanks, I thought I was in a minority thinking he is losing his marbles, but the upvotes you got say there's more people realizing that.
I have lost my faith in Torvalds when he wrote this:
This is NOT some kind of “social warrior” project, never has been, and never will be.
Taking bets now, how long until we get a Torvalds rant about too many brown people in the kernel developer community?
"When did my political project become so political?"
- Person who doesn't realize that literally everything is political
Linux maintainers stand on this is basically : our ai generate slop is good but yours is questionable
At what point should we start considering that the kernel maintainers and developers don't even understand what they are adding to the project ??
What I see in ai projects these days is huge commit size changes many files at once, where the people behind those commit don't have a single clue what is being added or changed.
We just need more volunteers? Isn’t it just that the development is on such few people?
That is one of many issues.
Put a pin in socio-economic-environmental issues for a second.
AI is good at finding bugs/vulnerabilities. If you're using it for peer programming, the output is 100% what you're comfortable with, while you're still directing what goes where and how. That's right up Torvald's alley. Not every piece of code we write is a masterpiece of complicated art. Sometimes, when we are writing a complicated piece, we are unable to see all the ramifications of each piece in a way that AI appears to be able to see.
From this standpoint, even if we had a LOT more people working on the kernel. We'd amplify problems, especially if the people we threw on the project were more free-hands than artists.
Unpin that socio-economic-env stuff now.
Until tokens cost enough that it's not reasonable, or the AI providers make things dumb enough to save money/meet law/eco demands, most code at most places will likely go through at least a post-cleanup/analysis phase. Everything would be labeled slop.
I don't think, long term, that we're going to have AI writing everything at the level we are even now, but it's not impossible. That's not to say I advocate it or push it forward, but there may simply be no way to stop it if the economics / laws allow it to continue.

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