Hot-take: It should be open to any adult for any reason they choose.
People are forced into the world without any choice. They should have the choice to leave it peacefully when they want.
Hot-take: It should be open to any adult for any reason they choose.
People are forced into the world without any choice. They should have the choice to leave it peacefully when they want.
No one should be forced to survive.
If you think that physical health is the only indicator of quality of life then you have no idea how mental health works.
You just need to eat well and do yoga and meditation, right? It's just in your head, so cheer up!
/s, lifelong depression here
Being suicidal exempting people from access to safe suicide is so morbidly ironic, it's not even funny.
The risk of fucking up a home suicide and surviving, brain damaged to the point where you're conscious enough to be aware of things but not to have agency, so you end up locked away for the rest of your natural life in a government funded ward, staffed by the cruel, burnt out people who usually end up working in those kinds of facilities...
That's one of the worst fates I can imagine.
And not to mention it's far more expensive for taxpayers to fund a lifetime of carehome expenses for every one of these survivors, who now, ironically, cannot actually consent to death, despite now being trapped in a reality that is far worse that what they were initially escaping.
So the mentally ill are forced to suffer because of somebody's saviour complex.... There are checks and balances in the system. The plan was to not just kill whoever walked through the door. Guess what? Not one life will be saved every person whether they are blessed with a compassionate death or not will die. NOBODY IS GETTING OUT ALIVE. What we are talking about is how much we are willing to let you suffer as you die.
This is cruel.
No? Good on them for barring mental illness as a sole reason.
I live with Persistent Depressive Disorder and it's admittedly been frustrating seeing people essentially telling people like myself that we should do the thing we're unhealthily telling ourselves to do anyways.
It literally comes off as people trying to tell me I'm lesser than and should kill myself, but with the veneer of continuing to look progressive.
I have my own struggles.
I have attempted twice on my own.
I don't currently have a desire to.
But removing a dignified and personally chosen means of exiting leaves only the other, more messy ways.
Personally, i believe this option should be available to everyone for any reason.
There's a guy in our town with no arms or legs. Gets around on a skateboard. Shot himself in the woods during winter but was found and given medical attention. But not before he lost all 4 limbs to frostbite. I've never spoken to him. Seems to have a pretty positive disposition given his circumstances.
Also have a bro whose gf slit her wrists in the tub. She survived. Hella trauma all around. Still on the waiting list for surgery to fix her hands years later.
Had a total karen of a neighbour once...Hard not to be callous cuz she was genuinely unpleasant to interact with but found out from my roommate that several years back she came home and found her son had hung himself in the closet at like 17. Who knows if she was nicer back then but clearly permafucked her mentally. She didn't even move out. She kept living there.
Dying peacefully via MAID is certainly less traumatic to everyone else.
If our gun laws here were like those in the states, I truly would not be here right now.
The same would be of MAID if it was supplied for those with mental illnesses.
It is insane to me that people are just casually blowing this off as if it means nothing. You have no room to regret a permanent decision, and no hope to hold out on.
If my attempts were successful I would have never found myself in this spot where yes, things are still rough, but I can at least say it's better. I'd have never predicted where things would have gone ten years ago when I was still depressed and feeling suicidal then, by giving people the option to do this, you rob them of the potential for a better life forever.
You're presenting assisted suicide as if it's just a "willy nilly" decision. People don't "just" go to a physician and stick a needle in their arm. It's a long process that involves careful evaluation.
Going "I didn't kill myself and I'm happier for it" doesn't make you the spokesperson of thousands of other people who are still here, suffering, and wishing they weren't here anymore. You aren't in their bodies. You aren't them. They should be able to decide for themselves and if that means suicide, they should be able to do it with dignity, not by jumping in front of a car and messing up multiple lives in the process, or running amok and getting shot by a cop, or jumping from a building and traumatising those around them.
You shouldn't get to make that choice. They should. That's the discussion here.
Part of the evaluation is determining whether someone is terminally ill. You are misrepresenting what MAID is by presenting it as a valid choice for someone who has a treatable mental illness.
That is not what I'm presenting at all. Suicide is the the greatest freedom a single person has. That does not mean somebody else has to participate in that act. If somebody requests that help, the process should determine whether the person can be helped before granting that request.
You're twisting the debate into something it's not about. This isn't a "let's get rid of all the mentally undesirables" act.
As someone who works in medicine the idea of allowing someone with something like TRD to access MAID is totally antithetical to what medicine is about and I'd be very suspicious of any doctor who does anything but argue against it. The Hippocratic oath basically forbids an MD from assisting someone with a treatable illness to kill themselves.
Or, and hear me out here, instead of giving the government a cop out to say "your well-being is not our problem, have fun killing yourself", we have them do their jobs of governing and providing people with basic living standards and human dignity.
If they didn't suspend this and went ahead with this, what's preventing them from basically saying "it is what it is, if you can't function in the society we made inaccessible, here's your way out, not our job to coddle you"?
Disabled and mentally ill people killing themselves to suit society's needs will become the norm when it should be the opposite. This is basically systemic eugenics.
I highly doubt any of them are telling you to off yourself (unless you've pissed them off for putting words in their mouth like this).
I've spent decades of my life in a depressive cloud & wish I hadn't been forced to by other control freaks telling me they enjoy life, so I can to if I just try hard enough - as if I haven't. They aren't stuck with my brain, and have no clue what it's like. I feel like I'm being used as cheap labor because I'm forced to make profit for other people just to keep my life from getting worse. Which is also why I haven't offed myself as my luck would cause the attempt to fail (as it once did - "fortunately" to no permanent ill effect), and also make my existence more unbearable.
Fuck Off with your obviously conservative control freak bullshit.
Theyre not yelling at you to go out the door by leaving it open.
Theyre shutting the door on others from being able to choose.
Sound like a typical conservative. Only your choice matters. :/
"Let's not change the system as it stands, lets just get rid of minorities and people facing minority issues, and the system fixes itself!"
Idk man, that sounds eerily similar to fascism. Just because it's sugar-coated as being an "option" (which benefits them because they can no longer be held accountable for their poor decisions) doesn't make it any better.
Thank you for your comments on this post, it echos many of my own thoughts on the situation.
The issue with this is that we have MAID because of the courts, not because it was legislated. This will certainly be taken to court and based on previous rulings has a very high chance of being deemed unconstitutional.
So people have to be mentally ill and in physical pain. What a great outlook for those mentally ill and seeking to end their misery. Now they have to hurt themselves too in order to be taken seriously.
Mental illness is more than just depression.
A scitzophrenic has a mental illness.
Not good at all.
I find it interesting to see so many downvotes on this thread. Lots of people telling depressed people to suck it up.
Why does everybody think black and white on this?
I'm clinically depressed. You can tell a person with depression they deserve to live with dignity while also telling them the world as it exists is cruel. Why must the options either be telling depressed people to "suck it up", or essentially telling them to off themselves with no middle ground?
This all feels like having a dirty white shirt, having no washer or dryer to clean it, and when given the opportunity to ask for something, we ask to throw it out instead.
This is neuvoreddit, filled with rddit questionables everything here is black and white.
You can tell a person with depression they deserve to live with dignity while also telling them the world as it exists is cruel.
Deserve vs will get is different. This world is rough and you can be well meaning in saying "you deserve better" but to folks deep in pain this sounds not far from "you deserve better sure but suck it up".
You are still creating excuses for mandating someone's choice at life with suffering vs not.
Edit: its also like sex work or drugs. You can make it illegal all you want but that just pushes people underground. So. Fucking. Stupid. Sometimes society makes us bash our heads against the wall over and over and expects us to put up with it.
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