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Hi, mostly i use REHL based distros like Centos/Rocky/Oracle for the solutions i develop but it seems its time to leave..

What good server/minimal distro you use ?

Will start to test Debian stable.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 2 years ago (3 children)

You can't go wrong with Debian

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

All my servers run debian and it's going swimmingly. My daily driver runs bookworm with huge success

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Bookworm is such a tremendously good release. I’ve been on Debian since Potato, and IMHO we are seeing the absolute best release they ever put out.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

As an old fart, I'm happy to see that Debian is still cool. All of this arch-manjaro-nix-os-awesome-bspwm-i3-xmonad-flatsnap whippersnapper stuff is over my head.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Realistically, it doesn't make sense for folks to be using bleeding edge distros like Arch for a server anyway. LTS of Debian or even Ubuntu are definitely the right answer

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

Back when I was hyper into Arch I used it for my servers. "Why not make it the same as your development environment?". Anyways, that immediately stops working when your development environment changes. For a server, just use Debian or Ubuntu.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago

"flatsnap". This made my day

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I'm all for using Debian and such, and I think out of all the new and hip things people brag about, using Flatpak is the most useful thing for the average user experience and worth checking out. Everything (almost) else is just extra.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 years ago

You already figured it out. It’s Debian stable.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago

Will start to test Debian stable.

This is a smart move.

Debians make for very good servers, I've been using Debian servers since moving my desktop from Fedora (when it was still called Fedora Core) to Ubuntu. I don't regret it one bit. The community is excellent, and there is ample information available online without having to ask a new question.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I would recommend openSuSe. It is using rpm, but it is an independent distribution.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

Huge fan of openSuse Tumbleweed. Rolling release like Arch with the backing of a decently sized organization.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago

Desktop? Arch. Server? Debian, NixOS.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago (9 children)

My vote is Archlinux. Debian is sometimes a little too "optimisitic" when backporting security fixes and upgrading from oldstable to stable always comes with manual intervention.

Release-based distros tend to be deployed and left to fend on their own for years - when it is finally time to upgrade it is often a large manual migration process depending on the deployed software. A rolling release does not have those issues, you just keep upgrading continuously.

Archlinux performs excellent as a lightweight server distro. Kernel updates do not affect VM hardware the same they do your laptop, so no issues with that. Same for drivers. It just, works.

Bonus: it is extremely easy to build and maintain your own packages, so administration of many instances with customized software is very convenient.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago (5 children)

If you're up for it: NixOS!

It's quite a steep learning curve, but after some time (after you've configured your "dream-system") you don't want to go back/switch to any different distro.

Specifically servers IMHO are a great use-case for NixOS. It's usually simpler to configure than a desktop distro, and less of the usual pain points of "dirty" software (like hardcoded dynamic libraries, that exist on most systems (ubuntu as reference) at that path).

I've much less fear maintaining my servers with NixOS because of its declarative functional reproducability and "transactional" upgrade system, than previously (where I've used Debian mostly).

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Honestly, Debian stable has always been my first option. I'll continue using Arch for my desktops and Debian on servers and stuff.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Can't really go wrong with Debian or Ubuntu server LTS

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago (7 children)

You can definitely go wrong with an Ubuntu server

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

If your solutions are work/job related and need to be distributed I think your current options are SUSE or Debian. If your solution is something only you maintain, you could check out NixOS.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (3 children)

NixOS

Reproducible and unbreakable

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (5 children)

With great power comes a steep learning curve.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

I've been running Debian stable for years now on everything. My laptop runs it, my home server runs it headless with no GUI installed, my gaming desktop runs it and even my kids run it without issue. If we need a newer version of some desktop app I just get the Flatpak. It's pretty great and the good thing is that it's predictable. Once it's up and running I don't have to worry about things breaking because of an update.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Debian 12, Opensuse leap or tumbleweed, SLES, Fedora, Linux mint / LMDE, Freebsd, Alma Linux OS

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Debian stable. The mix of having a stable host but being able to pull in flatpak / appimage / docker containers with newer software is awesome.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Debian yes, but don't install from flatpaks or docker. Neither is secure.

AppImage can be secure if the release is signed.

Docker can pull images securely, but it's disabled by default and many developers don't sign their releases, so even if you enable it client-side there's a risk you'll download something malicious.

Flatpak is never secure because it doesn't support signing of releases at all.

Apt is always secure because all packages must be cryptographically signed (by default).

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Flatpak is never secure because it doesn't support signing of releases at all

Can you elaborate on this? I ask because I build my own flatpaks, and signing is part of the publishing process.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

minimal: alpine
general purpose: debian or CentOS, i'll still use it for now.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I have been using Debian for about 20 years now. Server and desktop. But I recently migrated all my server stuff to FreeBSD and I don't think I will move back. Jails are great and provide me a convenient way to isolate my apps. On the desktop side I will stay with Debian.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

If you need enterprise support I'd look for Ubuntu or maybe SUSE. If you can't tolerate RHEL closing their source, that is (some people won't be bothered).

If that's not needed, then Debian all the way! It's served me well for like 10 years in my home lab.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Debian stable, but Alpine and Guix are also worth considering.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

For server, Debian is great :) i use ubuntu 20.04 lts personally

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I haven’t been keeping up, what happened?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago (8 children)

https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2023/dear-red-hat-are-you-dumb

TL;DR - RedHat is going to wall off all their code/packages behind a paywall meaning the only way to use RedHat is with a paid subscription.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

I would definitely give openSUSE a try. such a solid distro. Debian is also great, popOS seems likeable, nixOS is very very solid, I've used Arch, Manjaro and opensuse myself. currently on arch. but I highly recommend openSUSE

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)
  • Debian for stable.
  • Fedora if you want a bit more bleeding edge.
  • Arch for desktop/laptops.

At least that's how I've been running my homelab stuff for years now.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

For my public-facing server, I use Debian Testing, since I haven't had any major issues with it's stability. Auto-upgrades usually work , although there were a few times I had to manually intervene on the latest name-change upgrade from Bookworm to Trixie. I usually don't even log-in except every few months.

At home, where it will only affect me, and possibly my family dealing with me, if the whole O. S. crashes and has to be rebuilt from backups, I use Arch.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Slackware. Its stable as a mofo.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I used to be Slackware user. Then I sold my soul to RedHat, then to Debian...

I just installed Slackware after reading your message to see what is new, here are my findings:

  • There is still no auto install. I had to manually configure a lot of things using a terminal based fdisk and setup.

  • The default package manager, pkgtool, does not have a default way to auto install packages from web (something like yum, apt, up2date). It only installs from your own HDD.

  • The other tool for managing packages, slackpkg, was not installed on my system by default.

  • The default configuration for X and KDE has problems on my system. I can see the mouse move then nothing.

I can understand why somebody would like to play around with this kind of system as a fun/entertainment/puzzle solving in their free time. On the other hand, if you plan to run some kind of microservices architecture on this, then I wish you best of luck finding a new job once you are fired.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Any issues with CentOS stream for your work? Could always switch to Fedora server too if you wanted to keep the same structures and such, but separate some from RedHat.

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