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[–] 1 point 20 minutes ago

I worked as a mechanic in a bike shop for a few years: we were the Trek shop for the area. While there are plenty of things the average person can do and get pretty close to correct, there were soo many tickets that came in for botched repair jobs, stripped hardware, and shit setups.

I think everyone should be able to fix a flat tire and lubricate a drivetrain. But beyond that, bring it to a person who has the knowledge and very specific proprietary tools to do the job. It's possible you can use some pliers and a hammer to do what you're doing, but you'll probably damage components and then need to bring it to a shop anyway.

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  • [–] 63 points 11 hours ago (16 children)
  • [–] 4 points 6 hours ago (1 child)

    Lots of AI-proof trades that pay well. HVAC, welding, plumbing, mechanics, etc.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

    HVAC starting wage of $18.00 in 2026? (quick search)

    So, like 80s minimum wage ($6.00 an hour then is $18 an hour today). I made that at Qwik Stop. I'm not joking.

    I'm sorry kids I am older and know I could barely make it in 80s and you have it so much worse.

    I had to eat packets of ramen for years, always had roommates, couldn't afford a car or pet. I'm really sorry

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  • [–] 13 points 10 hours ago (12 children)

    I guess so. I was curious if there is a similar projected demand in the US. I don't know if that info is on this page, but it does show the median annual wage to be $38k https://www.bls.gov/oes/2023/may/oes493091.htm

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  • [–] 9 points 7 hours ago (10 children)

    Yeah that's trash and I bet the only places with any actual job market for bike mechanics stateside are high COL areas.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 hours ago (9 children)

    I earn about that much and I own a car, a house, and have 4 years' wages worth of savings.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 hours ago (8 children)

    Ok but do you live in an area where bike commuting is a viable option for a majority of people? Also just to be clear 38k is 23% below individual US median wage.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 hours ago* (7 children)

    I'm not sure what bike commuting has to do with this but yes, it's a 30 minute trip to the city centre from where I live and there's a bike lane the whole way. Living expenses here are lower than in the US but not dramatically so.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 hours ago (6 children)

    Because bike mechanic isn't a job that's going to exist outside of areas where large amounts of people ride bikes, hence my original point of it probably not being a job outside high cost living areas in the US which tend higher density that the lower COL areas. So a 38k median wage isn't going to be remotely livable in any of those areas.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 hours ago* (5 children)

    Do smaller cities and towns not have bike shops in the US? My city has roughly 200k residents and I can think of at least 5 different bike shops on the top of my head.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 hours ago (4 children)

    This is highly anecdotal but I live in a suburb of the 3rd largest city in my state I know of one bike shop in the area and Google tells me there's a hand full of others within like 20 miles of me. Also for good measure the reviews on one of them says it's staffed by volunteers.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 hours ago (3 children)

    I think my broader point still stands. There are things one can influence and there are ones they can't. Where people live is one of the things they can. Living in a large city is expensive so one needs to earn more to sustain that. However that's not the only place to live. I most certainly have the lowest income of my friend group but I'm also by far the wealthiest because of how much cheaper my living expenses are. My mortgage for a house is half of what they're paying in rent a month for a small apartment equally far away from the city centre. They just choose to live in the capital so their living expenses are so much higher that despite the higher wage they have nothing to show for it. Also, I started my own business because I got tired of working for others and despite having zero experience and nobody helping me I still managed to make it work so if I can do it, anyone can.

    I just get incredibly frustrated with the apparent apathy online of people just blaming external factors about their circumstances as if they've got no control over anything themselves. So many of the struggles people deal with are self-inflicted. This equally applies to my fellow entrepreneurs as well who are not happy where they're at. They have all the control over their business but they still choose to follow the same path as everyone else while expecting different results.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 hours ago (2 children)

    Ok cool but my main original point still stands 38k median in the US is not a good wage.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 hours ago (1 child)

    Below average doesn't equal bad. If the wage covers your living expenses and you have money left over even after that then what does more money achieve? Nothing. Unless you want to keep up with the Joneses.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 hours ago

    Ok but average across an entire country is not average in low cost of living areas, if a person is making the countries median in a low cost of living area that would mean their making of the median for the area they live in. Wages will rise and fall depending on cost of living.

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  • [–] 18 points 9 hours ago* (1 child)

    Totally anecdotal, but in my area, if you try to book an appointment at any local bike shop for a repair other than a flat tire, they'll give you a date a month away. We need more mechanics here too.

    But I'm learning to do more on my own now.

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  • [–] 1 point 13 minutes ago

    In NL/BE it’s so bad that most settled bike shops won’t even plan your repair if the bike was not bought at that store. Why? Because there’s still more then enough work with only your own customers.

    So you’d ask yourself, why don’t repair only places open? Because the knowledge required to start fixing bikes has evolved a lot with the multitude of e-bike systems, and moreover people already find the repair prices too expensive when the costs are slightly subsidized by the people buying bikes at the shop.

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  • [–] 19 points 12 hours ago (13 children)

    I don't know if I believe that 90% of people use the shop for their repairs.

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  • [–] 21 points 10 hours ago (8 children)

    I tried adjusting my own derailleur once.

    Shop for me from then on.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 hours ago (6 children)

    It's not. Derailleur is set once when it's installed onto the bike and you should never need to adjust it again. If the shifting is crap the issue is the twisted hanger and no amount of adjusting the limit screws is going to fix that.

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  • [–] 1 point 18 minutes ago (1 child)

    Well maybe (even though I do think a bit of a bent hanger can be compensated for) but even then it’s only true until you change cassette/chain or the shifter cable, which you will have to do at some point.

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  • [–] 1 point 54 seconds ago

    A new chain or cassette doesn't affect the derailleur. A new cable does, but the tension is adjusted from the shifter, not by messing with the derailleur adjustments. It's true that god-awful shifting due to a bent derailleur can be mitigated to some extent by messing with the adjustments but it'll never be good. It can't be because the derailleur is bent. Then when you replace the hanger with a straight one the shifting goes to shit again.

    Whenever my derailleur catches on a rock or a stump and the shifting goes to shit all I do is remove the derailleur from the hanger, use the hanger adjustment tool to straighten it out and once I re-attach the derailleur it shifts perfectly again with no adjusting at all.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 hours ago

    I had to re-index my gears ~2 years after I bought my new mountain bike... It's not "hard" but if you've never done it before and don't have a place where to properly work on your bike I can see why people would rather pay whatever the fee is at a shop.

    Like with most stuff you do it a couple of times and it becomes easy.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 hours ago (2 children)

    So you're saying it's impossible to bend the derailelellueur enough for shifting to fail?

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  • [–] 2 points 5 hours ago (1 child)

    Why is it every time someone starts a sentence with "So you're saying.." it's then followed with misrepresentation of what was actually said?

    No, that is not what I said. What I did say is that in the vast number of cases when your shifting is shit it's not because of bent derailleur or badly adjusted one but it's a bent derailleur hanger. That part is designed to bend specifically so that the derailleur itself doesn't.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 hours ago

    The full quote is, "A lot of them now will come to cycle shops for pretty much 90% of bike repairs." So not necessarily that 90% of people are coming in for every issue, but that there are people who rely on the shop for almost every issue.

    I've learned a lot about bike repairs this year, and I've been volunteering as a mechanic at free bike repair events. It's been interesting going from the clueless customer asking for a "tune-up" to being the one asked for a tune-up. If you ride but don't have maintenance background you know that it's possible there might be some problematic, or even dangerous issue; but you have no idea what that might be. And if you can identify a problem, as far as you know any work you do might brake something in a way you don't understand. So I can understand people going to the shop frequently.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 hours ago (1 child)

    I'm surprised when I talk to people and almost always hear that they bring their bike to a shop for maintenance and repair. I'm usually the strange one who do his own maintenance and repairs. So I can believe that most people bring their bike to a mechanic. The 90% figure still seems high though.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 hours ago

    More than half of the guitarists I know take their guitar into the shop to change strings. That seems crazy to me but it’s been my (anecdotal) experience. I didn’t even know guitar center offered that as a service till I asked someone what gauge they preferred. The folk at the table were like, “whatever guitar center puts on”.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 hours ago

    I think it is fairly common for the average rider in a bikeable area. Like a car sure a lot of drivers know how to change a tire, a lot fewer change the oil or brakes. Computers arent hard to build but 90% of people buy something premade.

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  • [+] -30 points 11 hours ago (12 children)

    Nothing is ai proof even skilled trades.

    Use ai to come up with a cheap drive train that won't wear out, or a chain lubricant that increases the life span of chains and gears 10 fold. Or Bike tires that last longer.

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  • [–] 31 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

    Siri, make me a bike better than has ever been made before

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  • [–] 1 point 6 minutes ago

    Hey siri if I turn up the wattage of a laser cutter or use a plasma on a lower amperage but slower feed, would a significant HAZ develop on a cut sprocket to harden the teeth and increase service life with out the need for further heat treatment.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 hours ago

    The important point when talking about AI and jobs isn't the susceptibility of specific jobs to AI, it's that all you have to do is have a sustained period of time where the rate of job elimination exceeds the rate of job creation. That's all it takes to destroy the fundamental functioning of any economy. If that happens, people won't have any money to pay all the plumbers, mechanics, etc. who still have jobs.

    When that will happen, within a decade or within a human lifetime, is a matter of open debate, but it is almost inevitable that it will happen someday.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 hours ago

    Have you ever wonder why those initially cheap chinese product suddenly hike in price when they started to went into more high end stuff? Because they realise high end stuff requires high end production line and better material, and those aren't cheap.

    Also capitalism, it's gonna cost a huge lot.

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