The lone holdout juror in the trial of Lindsay Clancy has said he "didn't have any doubts" that she was criminally responsible for killing her three children.

"Based on all the physical evidence, key witnesses and what the prosecution presents, I thought it was enough proof that she knew exactly what she was doing and planned it," Michael Desronvil said in a statement to CBS News, the BBC's US partner.

The judge declared a mistrial on 4 September after the jury failed to reach a unanimous verdict following nearly 40 hours of deliberating.

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[–] 26 points 1 week ago (37 children)

Desronvil said he believed the evidence presented in court showed she had planned the killings.

"I didn't have any doubts," he said in a statement to CBS on Thursday.

"As I tried to explain different possible theories during deliberation, I kept getting cut off as if I had doubts based on the evidence presented."

He didn't have any doubts, but he had doubts.

Let's see what the other jurors said....

The jury foreperson, a retired fifth-grade teacher, described not being able to reach a verdict as "awful" and an "emotional rollercoaster".

She told NBC that Desronvil had "admitted he had reasonable doubt", but as she started filling out the verdict sheets, he apparently said: "But I'm still not going to say that she's not guilty by reason of insanity."

Another juror told local CBS station WBZ-TV that most of the jurors had been "very firm in their stance" from the start and "the stand-alone juror was not the only one that was unwilling to see things from the other side".

But they added that because Desronvil would not "follow" his reasonable doubt nor offer logical reasoning for his position, they felt Clancy had not received a fair trial.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 week ago (32 children)

    He's allowed to hold his position for any reason at all, including he doesn't agree with a defense of insanity--if that's what it was. Likely during jury selection they were asked if they held that bias, and possibly he didn't know, or possibly he lied. But, that's all part of our system. It's imperfect as every such system is.

    He claims he tried to explain his reasoning but the rest wouldn't listen. That may be the failure point. If they had listened, maybe they could have persuaded him. Or, maybe they did listen at first and rejected his arguments, then wouldn't listen anymore.

    We'll never know what happened in the deliberation room, but the system worked as it should. Having sat on two juries in the past, I have some faith in juries to come to a good decision. In this case, the jury failed in a way that can be accommodated. That is, it was a mistrial, so there'll be another trial.

    But they added that because Desronvil would not “follow” his reasonable doubt nor offer logical reasoning for his position, they felt Clancy had not received a fair trial.

    “As I tried to explain different possible theories during deliberation, I kept getting cut off as if I had doubts based on the evidence presented.”

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago (31 children)

    Not if he had reasonable doubt.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago (29 children)

    "Admitting" that in deliberation is not binding in any way.

    The only "gotcha" they can pull out is to get him to agree with the verdict. He clearly didn't and did his job admirably.

    He did what he thought was right despite immense pressure to just go with the flow.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago* (28 children)

    No, if he had any doubt at all then he should have voted with the rest of the jurors. That's how the law works. A jury is not a place to take a personal stand on a case.

    On top of that, this juror lied about his criminal past in order to be selected for the jury. He should have been disqualified from the get go.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (7 children)

    He had no doubt she intentionally planned and strangled her three kids and was aware of what she was doing.

    He may have doubted other things, but those didn't matter to him as much as that simple fact.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Not to be a dick, but:

    I kept getting cut off as if I had doubts based on the evidence presented.

    He's literally saying the opposite of "I have doubts" still here, he's saying "I have no doubts but these other people are interupting me like I do have doubts."

    Now, that still seems like a dumb fucking thing to say, but he's not contradicting his doubtlessness, he's saying he's being doubted, that "as if" is very important for context.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    I think that if a juror is pushing different possible theories, they have reasonable doubt.

    That and the following statement from another juror:

    She told NBC that Desronvil had “admitted he had reasonable doubt”

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago*

    OH I see what you mean.

    Yeah but in this context "reasonable doubt" is a very specific thing and "doubt" is just the concept, so, "he does not doubt that he has a reasonable doubt regarding her innocence" actually, as dumb as it sounds, could possibly be the valid interpretation of his statements.

    But regardless, that second statement (from the post I replied to ykwim lol) doesn't mean "I had doubts," it means the literal opposite.

    Also he could just be lying anyway, but those two OG statements quoted aren't (at least necessarily) contradictory.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago

    "I'm not sure if she bashed his head in with a hammer, or a lead pipe, or a candlestick, but I am sure she bashed his head in."

    This is a person describing three different possible theories, without admitting to reasonable doubt of criminal culpability.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 week ago (14 children)

    "I had reasonable doubt, but I don't like how it feels to challenge my own biases and I misunderstood or lied during jury selection, so no, I don't have reasonable doubt."

    That's the summary of this man.

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    [–] 13 points 1 week ago

    On September 25, 2021, Desronvil’s 13 year old nephew called the Brockton Police and said “please come….my auntie,” before hanging up. When police arrived they found Desronvil and his wife on the front steps of the porch, with Desronvil holding his 6 month old baby. Desronvil tried to tell police that they didn’t need any help in an attempt to get them to leave, but the 13 year old nephew told police that he witnessed Desronvil hit his wife after the woman attempted to take her crying daughter from him in order to comfort her, at which point he assaulted her by grabbing his wife by the neck and throwing her into a bedroom dresser. Desronvil’s mother yelled “YOU’RE EVIL” twice at her son before he was taken away by police.

    The charges were dropped several months later, but the ex-wife spoke with NBC10 Boston and said that the charges were only dropped because she was worried about losing custody of her daughter if she testified.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    kinda wild to me they jurors are talking publicly about their decisions. especially for a high profile case. I get that it's allowed but still seems like something that shouldn't be encouraged

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago*

    As someone who has served on a jury myself, I have a difficult time criticizing the individual decisions of jurors for cases that I'm not involved in.

    Obviously, it's not a vacuum, and being the only holdout isn't a good look... But unless you're sitting there in court every single day, taking notes and deliberating, then your opinion on the choices of individual jurors is completely irrelevant imo.

    Criminal court cases are extremely complex, and reading a few news articles about it is not the same as being there. Suggesting that's enough is actually kind of insulting to our justice system.

    Even when I'm pretty sure I would disagree had I been in that jury... It's just impossible to know.

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  • This is ultimately a very sad story and proof that the system failed this family over and over.

    For those without time to wade through the article:

    the panel was ultimately divided 11-1 in favour of finding Clancy not criminally responsible.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago (15 children)

    I'm seeing the rightoids talk about this. It doesn't seem like news, anyone care to explain why this is on my feed?

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  • [–] 17 points 1 week ago (12 children)

    They're using Lindsey Clancy to justify taking away women's rights.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago* (10 children)

    Feminism has spent the last 150+ years trying to convince society that women can be level-headed, responsible adults instead of the emotional and hysterical forever-children that they were painted as.

    This caricature of uncontrolled emotionality and hysteria was the entire reasoning as to why they could have no agency and therefore could accept no responsibility. That they could not be trusted to act with logic, reason, and accountability, and that their female nature nerfed their cognitive abilities so much that they would always require male chaperones and “owners”, just like children.

    With Lindsey Clancy, Women just collectively argued for the latter all over again.

    I’m a leftist that’s two good shakes away from being a communist, but holy goddamn hell this argument that women are using - that she is not responsible and cannot be held accountable regardless of how clearly and intentionally she meticulously planned the killings - is rolling the argument for women’s rights all the way back, weaponizing it in the most effective possible way, and then handing it wrapped up in a gift bow directly to the political right.

    She planned it. She was 100% responsible. The sooner women stop using the “hormones” excuse, the sooner we stop arming the political right.

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