We had been warned of trouble looming at a show in Fairfax, Va., a conservative suburb outside Washington, D.C. The gig was at the Patriot Center at George Mason University. George Mason, a father of the Bill of Rights, refused to sign the Declaration of Independence because it didn’t guarantee enough rights and freedoms. (Were he still alive, he’d be cast out of Virginia; although its state slogan is “Virginia Is For Lovers,” in 1994, Virginia had an anti-sodomy law.) The promoter told Green Day in advance that they wouldn’t allow us to play, that we were inappropriate; Green Day’s response to the promoter was that if we didn’t play, they wouldn’t play.

The promoter backed down, but when we arrived, he pulled me aside for a lecture. In a friendly-yet-stern way, he said our material was too mature for Green Day’s young audiences. He said that there would be eight-to-12-year-olds in the crowd. I asked why he was worried about our lyrics and not Green Day’s, which also have some references that might not be suitable. And who were these kids, anyway? What parents were letting their kids go to concerts so young? I told him, if they’re that young, much of what we sing about is going to go right over their heads; they won’t get it. But they’ll know they saw a gay band, and it will get them talking one way or the other. To us, that would be a victory, meaning we’ve infiltrated Pat Robertson country. This guy kept saying things like he had a lesbian sister, that he was for gay rights, but not in these circumstances. He said he was dreading the day-after phone calls from parents. I told him I had the right to sing about it, kids had the right not to be censored, and what we sang about was part of the world we live in. Virginia was a sodomy-law state; the discrimination was written into state law. To counter years of hetero propaganda these kids had heard—and would continue to hear—a few bad words and risqué songs wouldn’t do them any harm. This discussion went in circles for 15 minutes, until I finally told him it was a waste of my time. When we played, the reception was mixed but more supportive than I’d feared; it was the only show we played with Green Day in the South.

The apex of that tour was a gig at Madison Square Garden. The show was a multi-artist extravaganza: faux-alternative station Z-100’s Christmas bash. The lineup from top to bottom: Green Day, Hole, Weezer, Melissa Etheridge, Bon Jovi (gag, choke, splutter, barf), Sheryl Crow, Toad The Wet Sprocket, the Indigo Girls and us. When Green Day found out Bon Jovi was on the bill, they were fit to be tied. This was everything we had ever fought against. This was an alternative station? Z-100 tried to throw us off the bill, but Green Day said they wouldn’t do the show if we didn’t get to play. We’ll always be grateful for the many times they stood up for us that year.

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[–] 35 points 1 hour ago (3 children)

Anyone here old as fuck and remember when BBC told RAtM that they aren't allowed to swear when they would play and the first words were FUCK YOU I WON'T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME!! and they were then cut off.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 minutes ago

    I saw Eminem perform the 1 year that Warped Tour had him. He was given the same instruction because it was also the first time they were televising it. They cut his mic almost immediately for swearing, he got pissed, dropped the mic on stage, and left.

    Later when Pennywise performed, they brought people on stage and got the entire crowd chanting “fuck you” with their middle fingers up. That’s when they cut the live feed entirely and gave up.

    Still one of the best concert experiences of my life. I wish I had video of how massive that audience was.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 21 minutes ago)

    Never been the biggest Green Day fan, but being an ally back then wasn't quite so accepted and it wasn't like they were going to get a pat on the back from social media from this.

    Also worth mentioning that Etheridge had recently come out at this time. And it wasn't like she was some punk artist, you could find her getting plays on country stations. That could have been professional suicide at that time.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 hour ago (1 child)

    I remember a lot of people thought Green Day and/or Billie Joe Armstrong were gay themselves. Not "gay" like uncool, but it was "known" among certain (read: older) people that the band was gay. I thought, "like Queen? How is that even remotely a bad thing?" And went on to enjoy every Green Day album I listened to (though, like many people, I started with Dookie).

    Finally saw them live about 10 years ago. I've also seen Metallica, and two foreign bands I considered my favourite or second-favourite band at one point. Nightwish, from Finland. And ONE OK ROCK from Japan. Green Day was the best show I've been to. And it's got nothing to do with whether any of the performers were gay or not, or whether some boomers in the 90s thought they were. They just put on one hell of a good show. And, for all the hate they get from the metal community, so do Five Finger Death Punch. Saw them twice (only once by choice; the other time they were at a festival we went to for other performers) and they are awesome on stage. Meanwhile, ONE OK ROCK... we drove 8 hours to see these guys and they played for an hour, got tired, and dipped out. They weren't bad on stage, they just didn't do anything special. (Apparently they do a lot more back home in Japan, but they also sell out stadiums there, so it's a different energy.)

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  • [–] 1 point 10 minutes ago

    I remember a lot of people thought Green Day and/or Billie Joe Armstrong were gay themselves. Not "gay" like uncool, but it was "known" among certain (read: older) people that the band was gay.

    Billie Joe is openly bisexual, and "announced" it in a 1995 interview.

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  • [–] 63 points 3 hours ago (9 children)

    Telling a punk band they can't do something is pretty much demanding they do it.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 hours ago (8 children)

    Like ratm in the radio told not to swear

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  • [–] 28 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

    Could you please stop raging so much? It scares the machine. Thanks for your cooperation

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  • [–] 17 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 child)

    "Why can't you rage against the immigrants, queers, antifa, liberals, dei, sjw's, and jews just like jesus would've wanted?"

    Meanwhile, how Jesus dealt with capitalists (aka "merchants" and "money changers"): Jesus flippin tables gif

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  • [–] 1 point 2 minutes ago

    James Chapter 5:

    Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you. Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten. Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days. Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

    I love that one. The chorus to the song is literally "fuck You, I won't do what You tell me". What did they think would happen?

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  • [–] 10 points 2 hours ago

    Ah the good old days when not all venues belonged to a single company.

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  • So they pulled a reverse Ed Sheeran.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 hours ago

    Pansy Division (a pun on Panzer division

    Wikipedia to the rescue. I was wondering if the name came from that. I actually knew of a band by that name, but it looks like that band came around after the fact in '98. Interesting.

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