I had a discussion recently where someone accused me of not being a "real vegetarian" because I eat eggs. I know that's kind of a grey area, and it differs for each person and their reason for being vegetarian (religious, texture, health, environmental, ethical, etc); but what do you personally eat?

For me, personally, I keep it simple. If it looks and tastes like meat, I don't eat it (except special occasions like religious holidays). It makes me feel bad, and I dislike the texture anyway. Feels like an animal died specifically for me, and I didn't even enjoy it. A waste of a perfectly good life. But I'm ok with "regenerative" animal products like eggs and cheese and honey and such, as long as the animals were treated with respect (hard to find dairy that meets this criteria).

Probably the most contentious is bones. Someone once gave me some ramen, and later told me they were surprised I ate it because the broth was made with chicken bones. I didn't know, but also it didn't really disturb me either. Those bones would have been thrown out if not put into soup; and the end result was soup, not a drumstick or something obviously meaty. If nobody told me, I wouldn't even notice. For some reason, occasional bone broth is fine by my books. I'm not an extremely strict vegetarian in the first place though, and everyone I asked said that bones are not vegetarian.

It makes me think about Blood & Bone fertiliser. If you grow tomatoes with it, are those tomatoes not vegetarian…? Where is the line? Curious on others thoughts.

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[–] 4 points 51 minutes ago* (last edited 25 minutes ago)

I'm level 5 vegetarian with couple of missionary badges and gold stars for public protest. Next year I hope to adopt couple of old chickens and ascend to level 6.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 hours ago

    For me, the border is animal parts (meat and bones). I eat fish, all seafood (squid, shrimp, ...), eggs, cheese, milk, ... I know that fish and squids and shrimps are animals, but yes, eat what you want, don't let groups with their ideology impose on you what you eat.

    There is no shame in what you eat. Where I live (70% are Orthodox Christians, 25% are Muslims) religious fasting is very common. In short, Christians in certain parts of the year (and every Friday) follow a vegan diet, Muslims in one part of the year follow a diet with intermittent fasting.

    I always ask them "You believe in God, the Almighty, the creator of the universe, all 2 trillion galaxies, each with 100 billion stars, countless planets, and he cares what and when you put something in your stomach?"

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  • [–] 9 points 8 hours ago

    I'm not trying to be perfect, I'm just trying to make a difference. Purity ideals are for 13 year olds.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 hours ago

    These extreme line hunting is rather silly and benefits no one. Gamifying ethics is missing the entire point of ethics.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 hours ago

    I'm not vegetarian or vegan but in my mind eggs have always been fair game for vegetarians. It's just vegans who skip animal by-products as well as meat.

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  • [–] 13 points 12 hours ago

    Honestly, who cares. Eat what you're comfortable with. The label thing being a real or not is do assine. People doesn't eat certain things all the time.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 hours ago (1 child)

    I eat eggs and cheese. I'm not vegan. But if it walked, flew or swam, I don't eat it.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 hours ago

    Lacto-ovo veg for some 30+ years. I don't do gelatin, animal based broths, leather, etc.

    In my experience the loudest preachiest vegs that gatekeep are also the ones that'll talk a big game for a year or two, then completely flip.

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  • [–] 77 points 19 hours ago (8 children)

    There is no vegetarian authority. If you can live up to your own standards you doing better than most of us.

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  • [–] 35 points 19 hours ago (5 children)

    Not to mention that reducing your consumption of animal products, whether or not it's a total thing, is still a very good thing and is probably the single most impactful thing you can do as an individual to help out the planet and your health, especially when it comes to red meat.

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  • [–] 20 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

    This is the mindset most should have about it

    Perfection is hard

    People shouldn't be giving others grief for making moves in the right direction just because it's not as far as they've gone

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  • [–] 2 points 12 hours ago (1 child)

    reducing your consumption of animal products ... is probably the single most impactful thing you can do as an individual to help out the planet

    I seriously doubt this

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  • [–] 2 points 9 hours ago

    It's basically true. Animal agriculture (land use, resource use, and pollution to create animal products) is a major source of pollution which competes with transportation for the biggest source of global warming.

    Unfortunately the more nuanced take is that it's not a single thing; it's a series of choices that eventually become habit. But so is not owning a car.

    I think technically the single most impactful thing you can do is to remove major polluters from the planet (though in many cases that is illegal so, in case cops are watching, I'm certainly not recommending that).

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  • [–] 13 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

    If it tries to run away, I don't eat it.

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  • [–] 10 points 14 hours ago (1 child)

    I don't eat flesh. I do eat eggs, honey, and sometimes but rarely dairy. It is not a health condition, so if I end up accidentally eating something with meat in it I won't get sick and if it was an accident I also won't get upset with myself or anyone who gave the food to me.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 hours ago

    im not a vegetarian but I would like to be a lacto/ovo one. Thats basically as far as I can see going.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 hours ago

    My three rules:

    • I make exceptions for holidays and special occasions.
    • If the meat is going to get wasted, I try to eat it. Example: my friend ordered a meat dish, didn’t finish and doesn’t want to take it home. I’ll eat the meat out of their plate before it hits the trash.
    • if I kill the animal, I’ll eat it. I’m not a hunter so haven’t had to use this one before. Roadkill counts but again, I’m not a butcher and I don’t own a car.

    In summary, make your own rules aligned with your own values. If a conversation with a friend makes you change your values then maybe it’s time to reassess your rules. If not then stay true to yourself.

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  • [–] 5 points 13 hours ago*

    Do not let people gate keep who you are. Their opinions are their and sometimes an opinion sucks. You are your own person and are allowed to define and identify as you like. Are they then going to tell you that you're not a real straight/gay/trans person because you do or do not do something?

    I am a strict vegetarian that trends towards vegan. Cheese and yogurt are really the only things that keep me from being strictly vegan.

    I do not cook with eggs and generally avoid using cheese at home. I will have egg incidentally (i.e. bread, etc.) but will occasionally have eggs in a diner or such when traveling. Cheese I will have fairly commonly.

    I avoid anything with gelatin--that's a hard line for me. I will, however, have honey.

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  • [–] 29 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

    I did a few years as a lacto-ovo vegetarian, but I also had a carve-out for eating anything I was served as a guest. I would tell people ahead of time, but if they added bacon to the potato salad, I’d just eat it anyway because being a good guest seemed more important than strict adherence.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 18 hours ago (1 child)

    That's a good motto; I try to do the same thing, to an extent. If I'm at a family Christmas party or wedding, I'll eat some roast chicken. To refuse would be rude.

    But also, I tend to find that if you acquiesce once, it's too easy to become a habit. People will assume you've given up vegetarianism and serve you meat every time forever (in my experience, anyway). So I usually offend people on the first meal post-Christmas.

    I read this interesting article that is somewhat related.

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  • [–] 5 points 18 hours ago*

    I was more on the “if they’re serving me roast chicken after I told them I’m vegetarian, I’m not going to be their guest anymore” side of things, but everyone in my life was very accommodating, so that’s easy for me to say.

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  • [–] 15 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

    I feel like a meat eater choosing to eat less meat makes more of an impact tham a vegetarian choosing to move closer to vegan, regardless of the specifics.

    Personally, though? I'm a vegetarian who eats eggs and dairy, and occasionally whem dining out I'll go for seafood. And I had chicken once last year in a super specific and special case (revisiting an Indian restaurant in Dublin that I had visited years before when I was only avoiding "red meat", the chicken 65 was so incredibly good that I gave in). And I tried one small bite of blood sausage in Finland while visiting a good friend in Tampere who ordered it.

    Basically, at home, ovo-lacto. Dining out, occasional allowance for pescatarian. Maybe once-every-few-years I might consider trying some meat thing if it's super, super compelling for whatever reasons.

    And I hate leather, I go out of my way to avoid it when buying a car.

    I would feel better about myself if I went full vegan though.

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  • [–] 4 points 13 hours ago (1 child)

    I think it doesn't have to be a gatekept cult. And fk the people who are trying to make it one. Don't listen to them. Reducing meat is a purported way to fight climate change, anything you're doing in meat reduction is good. If you don't eat meat but do eat eggs, absolutely no problem. If you eat meat once in a while, whatever. Perfect should never be the enemy of good. And trying to tick every box exactly right could become so large a focus it takes up so much space and time in your life that could be spent enjoying the brief existence we get. Every time you feel like people are policing what you're eating, remind you're they're probably super no fun at parties.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 hours ago

    I think it doesn’t have to be a gatekept cult.

    Yeah, remember the "vegan + bacon" principle. Choosing to reduce how much meat and animal products you eat is good. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.

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  • [–] 19 points 19 hours ago (1 child)

    Anyone gatekeeping vegetarianism can shush. Do your best, enjoy.

    Once you start getting into the ovo-lacto-pecto-scattered-smothered-and-covered talk it’s already academic. It might be interesting, or it might be some jerk trying to hassle you for no good reason. And none of it’s necessary.

    When people used to ask me what reason i had for being vegetarian, i said “all of them”. Because there’s a lot. Economic, environmental, health, and hell yeah animal rights. Which one did they need y’know?

    I don’t mind hearing people talk about why they like being vegan - as opposed to vegetarian - heck, I like it. I’m aspirationally vegan when i can. But if they want to talk about my eating habits, that’s a red flag.

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  • [–] 4 points 18 hours ago*

    I consider myself a practicing vegetarian, as I never buy meat. I hunt though. Ecology is one thing that which we can neither own nor abstain.

    We will be working to amend the sins of humanity for a long long time, one of them being the exterpations and extinctions of predators; upending trophic systems. Hunting is an ecology conservation practice, and a critical one.

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  • [–] 18 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

    Ovo-lacto vegetarianism is by default what people mean by vegetarian in the US at least. Maybe where you're from it's different but that criticism would be strange here.

    I think most vegetarians try to avoid things like bone broth (or things containing gelatin if they know about it) but people are strict to different levels. Assuming a vegetarian would be fine eating a soup that included bones would be pretty rude so it's not weird someone might be surprised you're less strict than others.

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    [–] 7 points 17 hours ago (1 child)

    I can only speak for myself.

    For me, it's about harm reduction so not being perfect is OK with me as long as I'm trying. Now personally, that means if my cousin gives me eggs from her spoiled hens, that's probably OK, but I don't eat egg dishes when i go out (but paradoxically, I will eat a bun that has egg in it if there is not an alternative).

    I eat cheese occasionally, but not if it has animal rennet in it. I rarely drink, but avoid clarified wines since they use isenglass in the processing.
    I don't eat gelatin or meat stocks or bullion. I also avoid leather in my clothing and prefer plant-based clothes over wools.

    I limit my dairy, not just for moral and environmental reasons but also since my tolerance for it has diminished with age. Before I went veggie I would drink a gallon of whole milk every week. When I stopped I felt so much better, my acne cleared up, my hair got less oily and my intestines were way happier with me.

    I also take B12 supplements because I will often go long periods without having any animal products in my food.

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  • [–] 10 points 19 hours ago (1 child)

    People complaining about eggs don't know the difference between "vegetarian" and "vegan".

    https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/vegan-vs-vegetarian

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  • [–] 9 points 19 hours ago

    Puritanism rarely helps movements.

    Sounds like the person speaking to you was trying on the 'no true Scotsman' logical fallacy, as definition of 'vegetarian' clearly allows eggs.

    If someone is trying to reduce their animal intake I applaud them regardless of occasional relapses or exclusions.. Life is too demanding already to not be able to give yourself some leeway in circumstances when you need it or that are largely out of your control.

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  • [–] 5 points 19 hours ago* (4 children)

    If any ingredient is a part of a dead animal, I don't eat it.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 hours ago*

    Okay, I laughed, I guess this circumvents this requirement. In Japan you can get a live, as in still living, fish to eat. Few restaurants still do it, it's called Ikizukuri. I didn't get it because it was too weird.

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    [–] 4 points 19 hours ago (1 child)

    Just as long as you're not egalitarian.

    Eagles are endangered. You should not eat them.

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  • [–] 3 points 18 hours ago* (2 children)

    Traditionally, vegetarian meant what we often call vegan or plant based today. If you consume eggs and dairy you’re a lacto-ovo vegetarian. I usually just use vegetarian as short hand, even though I on occasion have eggs or cheese.

    As a life long lacto-ovo vegetarian, if it came from something that shits, it’s inedible to me.

    Your example tomatoes aren’t a problem, but I don’t for example eat gelatin.

    I’m also really against faux-meat, like the incredibly burger or whatever. If it’s too much like meat it grosses me out.

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