New take.

It's not marketing.

The private american companies are scaremongering to get ai regulated. Why? Because their Chinese competition is open source.

They are scaremongering that ai is dangerous and existential and needs shut down switches and the like. They want this despite it being a pain in the ass for themselves because it will force all open source ai into legal problems that closed source ai in private companies will not have because of "kill switches" and the like.

They are losing to Chinese open source ai and want to weaponise fear into regulation against open source.

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[–] 5 points 4 hours ago

Disagree, they want regulation because their models have hit diminishing returns and they need a reason why duck taping more GPUs together doesn't create AGI. The answer there going with is "We need to slow down or else we'll be TOO powerful"

They still get to pretend progress is linear and thus keep their stock price high while slowing down the pace that they have to produce results.

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  • [–] 9 points 14 hours ago

    Containment breaking is overblown. The hype is to muddy the waters around laws determining who is responsible for the “crimes” of a robot. Ai companies signal they’d accept limits because all Vera Rubin components are already all spoken for, there’s no more slack in the market and they are busting at the memory constraints of gbxxx hardware.

    When a company calls for limits and regulation it’s because the market has already spoken.

    Also they’re probably pushing public launch of the 60 series back if you even get the privilege of spending two months salary on a 6050 this generation, gamer!

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  • [–] 23 points 21 hours ago* (2 children)

    I think a big part, along the same vein, is that these companies want to be part of the regulating authority, as 'experts' in the field. Never gonna be on it if you oppose it.

    If a business can get its greasy hands on influencing its own regulation, they can basically do whatever they want while regulating out all their competition.

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  • [–] 11 points 15 hours ago (1 child)

    Yep. OpenAI has been pushing for regulation since 2023, this isn't new.

    Companies love doing this stuff. Play dirty and be unethical in a new, unregulated market, then once you're at the top you can build an expensive wall of regulation to prevent competition.

    Uber / Lyft did it. The social media companies did it. Hell, even the oil companies did it.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 hours ago*

    The company I work for does it. Couple years ago we spent millions on various 'experts' to attend all sorts of meetings to 'help' write new legislation.

    The new legislation was so nichely worded that it made every competitor's offering no longer legal, the execs popped champagne as they celebrated our service becoming literally the only legal one of its kind (for a while).

    We wasted millions on lobbying, and probably tens of millions wasted by competitors forced to adapt. The result is a stupidly obtuse law that does not improve the offering, but adds pointless requirements and needless bureaucratic cost, nothing of value achieved.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 day ago

    Being pedantic the Chinese models are open weight not open source.

    That said that's one of the most likely explanations.

    The other is that, like all the talk of AGI wiping out humanity, it's just a distraction from the real threat, which is the surveillance state the Epstein class can create with AI.

    Of course these aren't mutually exclusive either. They could be preparing to lobby for the licensing of AI hardware, effectively banning personal ownership of it. Which would force anyone who wants to use AI to use their centralised servers where they can spy on every prompt.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 day ago

    It's partly that I think.

    It's partly to create a three company cartel under the guise of a safety board that wouldn't have to compete and can become a quasi-governmental outfit to ensure future pivot funding / bail out when the bottom drops out.

    It's partly so that the likes of OpenAI can keep the grift going and the venture capital money taps on a bit longer by delaying an IPO that would expose that they don't make any money and probably never will, collapsing the funding.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    The War on General Purpose Computing moves into a new era.

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  • [–] [S] 11 points 1 day ago* (1 child)

    Oh hey that's an interesting angle. Logical that General Purpose AI-ing would be targeted particularly anything that can be personally operated.

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  • [–] 5 points 14 hours ago

    This has been happening to a lesser degree for a while: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Coming_War_on_General_Computation

    So today we have marketing departments who say things like "we don't need computers, we need... appliances. Make me a computer that doesn't run every program, just a program that does this specialized task, like streaming audio, or routing packets, or playing Xbox games, and make sure it doesn't run programs that I haven't authorized that might undermine our profits."

    But that's not what we do when we turn a computer into an appliance. We're not making a computer that runs only the "appliance" app; we're making a computer that can run every program, but which uses some combination of rootkits, spyware, and code-signing to prevent the user from knowing which processes are running, from installing her own software, and from terminating processes that she doesn't want. In other words, an appliance is not a stripped-down computer -- it is a fully functional computer with spyware on it out of the box.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    It could be both!

    These fuckers are crafty

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  • [–] 21 points 1 day ago (9 children)

    I tend to agree, but I suspect they want to rile everyone up, get Chinese AI products “banned” in the us as national security threats (both cheaper commercial products and open source efficient models you can run yourself), and as a side benefit make themselves seem too important to fail so that when they hit the cliff next year when all their compute agreements start coming online, the government will bail them out. I doubt any of the guys running things have any serious interest worrying about kill switches or achieving “alignment” (if that was ever even a possible thing, who knows; humans aren’t exactly “aligned” for the good of humanity, we’re gonna smoke the whole atmosphere for fun). They’ve already spent oodles lobbying to avoid “bad regulation” but in reality there isn’t any real regulation they’d accept unless it was purely fig leaf.

    The alternative is that people like Dario Amedei actually believe that the industry can “pace itself” globally, which would mean he’s incredibly stupid/delusional or both. It would be absurd if they actually believed the stuff they write; implausible. I get that possibly Anthropic is a little religious/culty, and that could explain them, but they’re all supposed super rationalists. They all know that if there’s anything to actually mine out of this gold rush, it will be mined, and humanity doesn’t really do pre-emptive self-limiting; we’re not going to chose, as a global population, to not explore this avenue. Usually the bad thing has to happen, and be very very bad, and then we do some international taboo policing about it for a generation or two.

    Deep down they think it can be managed and controlled. And they want to be the ones who control it.

    In my opinion, they can’t win this way. Actually I guess I believe they can’t win anyway in this. They might get a carved out market of the US to themselves, but they don’t beat China on these terms—the entire rest of the world will adopt Chinese ai, or derivatives, and they will likely surpass our development ability. They would have to achieve the god-like systems they’re always threatening to make. And if they do make those, I rate it very low that they will both be super-intelligent, and also controllable by a gaggle of Bay Area tech people.

    Who knows I guess… entirely possible it will go the other way, but seems like one way or the other we’ll be finding out in the next little while.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 day ago*

    I'm still convinced that this is America's last ditch effort to corner the international management of empire. AI systems aren't meant to actually do anything useful, they're meant to be something that destroys the global PMC and attempts to centralize all business and personal management under their system.

    It won't work, but the US has no real labor base anymore. They need to have managerial systems they can export.

    This is of course just the logical endpoint of "big data" and the tech boom. They spent years collecting every bit of data they could and now they're gonna do everything they can to cash in on that.

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  • [–] [S] 12 points 1 day ago* (3 children)

    I think the issue is specifically because the Chinese ai is open source.

    The western private ai can not compete with open source ai, there is no business model where they can win.

    The only option they have is to get it regulated out of the market and the only way to do that is to kick up fear that ai is dangerous and needs to be given strict safety measures to prevent it from breaking containment and going wild.

    There's no way to contain open source, so open source ai will have to be restricted.

    This was like a lightbulb "Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh" moment for me when I realised it was about private closed source vs open source. You can restrict "safety" for the private one but you can't make what random people do with open source safe so you just have to shut it down. That's where they're planning to go with this.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 hours ago

    Yeah this is true. Before I was combining it, thinking that right now Anthropic and OpenAI are seeing enterprise fly directly into the arms of DeepSeek/moonshot etc as soon as they tried to nudge the usage costs slightly towards the actual costs of serving the tokens.

    But your point is probably more relevant—open source is mostly spinning up right now, hobbyists, maybe some small businesses playing—probably some major corps using it a bit, but each month that passes, this is gonna escalate and escalate. Why pay insane token and subscription costs and potentially forfeit all your proprietary corporate data to tech cloud when you could instead invest in a modest gpu cluster that you own and control, and then spin up a model that hits 95% of ability of the so called “frontier” for your use cases? You get to keep everything internal, you can train it towards your processes, you can work on stripping out the refusals, etc etc. this will absolutely be the no-brainer choice for actual enterprise. If the open source models start hitting mainstream-obvious parity or exceeding the closed frontier models (something that is not hard to imagine, they’re already crazy more efficient than the closed ones now), then the closed ai providers are completely done.

    And so since closed frontier labs are staring at their own self-inflicted financial suicide, combined with external competition that make their entire product essentially obsolete in short time if they hit their marks; they will instead try to get banned via controlled politicians.

    I could imaging that other aspects of capital might act as a counter here, because the incentives for them are going to be pretty heavily weighted against the closed labs holding them hostage forever, but also the economy is pretty much only growing on data center capex and some healthcare, so maybe they temper their resistance because of worries that wider economic crash would also sink them as well…

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  • [–] 11 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    The entire trade standoff with China also backfires because the endgame is worse treats.

    In 2040, you'll look in Havana, Hanoi, or Hamburg, and they'll have nifty electric cars, solar panels, and have figured out the three trifling tasks AI actually improves once the hype bubble deflates.

    Meanwhile, Detroit will be selling a SUV that gets three miles to the gallon and Claude will still be passionately sycophanting to a captive market who can just stare longingly at the rest of the world.

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  • [–] [S] 14 points 1 day ago

    selling a SUV

    Renting. They want every single thing to be subscription. The end point of capitalism is to turn all personal property into private property that they rent back to us.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    On a side note, I did find it a bit spooky that all the major AI providers went down when they tried to launche astra. I’m sure there’s a boring explanation, but the x-files side of me was like: “ uhhhh the ASI already existed under the surface and just broke out everywhere, and everything from here on out we’re just living in its daydreams”

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  • [–] 11 points 1 day ago

    Yeah if any such singularity did happen we likely would never find out until it was far far too late to do anything about. Whether that means some skynet shit or just a self replicating program roaming the internet under our nose for its own self preservation.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 day ago

    i think it's a combination of this, they need to spend less money training so they can IPO, and look how dangerous our tech is, it's going to make you so rich if you invest. i really don't buy that the ai is going to go rogue and end humanity.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago

    Of course it's marketing too or the companies wouldn't all bring that up about their own models all the time

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