New take.

It's not marketing.

The private american companies are scaremongering to get ai regulated. Why? Because their Chinese competition is open source.

They are scaremongering that ai is dangerous and existential and needs shut down switches and the like. They want this despite it being a pain in the ass for themselves because it will force all open source ai into legal problems that closed source ai in private companies will not have because of "kill switches" and the like.

They are losing to Chinese open source ai and want to weaponise fear into regulation against open source.

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[–] 22 points 1 day ago (9 children)

I tend to agree, but I suspect they want to rile everyone up, get Chinese AI products “banned” in the us as national security threats (both cheaper commercial products and open source efficient models you can run yourself), and as a side benefit make themselves seem too important to fail so that when they hit the cliff next year when all their compute agreements start coming online, the government will bail them out. I doubt any of the guys running things have any serious interest worrying about kill switches or achieving “alignment” (if that was ever even a possible thing, who knows; humans aren’t exactly “aligned” for the good of humanity, we’re gonna smoke the whole atmosphere for fun). They’ve already spent oodles lobbying to avoid “bad regulation” but in reality there isn’t any real regulation they’d accept unless it was purely fig leaf.

The alternative is that people like Dario Amedei actually believe that the industry can “pace itself” globally, which would mean he’s incredibly stupid/delusional or both. It would be absurd if they actually believed the stuff they write; implausible. I get that possibly Anthropic is a little religious/culty, and that could explain them, but they’re all supposed super rationalists. They all know that if there’s anything to actually mine out of this gold rush, it will be mined, and humanity doesn’t really do pre-emptive self-limiting; we’re not going to chose, as a global population, to not explore this avenue. Usually the bad thing has to happen, and be very very bad, and then we do some international taboo policing about it for a generation or two.

Deep down they think it can be managed and controlled. And they want to be the ones who control it.

In my opinion, they can’t win this way. Actually I guess I believe they can’t win anyway in this. They might get a carved out market of the US to themselves, but they don’t beat China on these terms—the entire rest of the world will adopt Chinese ai, or derivatives, and they will likely surpass our development ability. They would have to achieve the god-like systems they’re always threatening to make. And if they do make those, I rate it very low that they will both be super-intelligent, and also controllable by a gaggle of Bay Area tech people.

Who knows I guess… entirely possible it will go the other way, but seems like one way or the other we’ll be finding out in the next little while.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 day ago*

    I'm still convinced that this is America's last ditch effort to corner the international management of empire. AI systems aren't meant to actually do anything useful, they're meant to be something that destroys the global PMC and attempts to centralize all business and personal management under their system.

    It won't work, but the US has no real labor base anymore. They need to have managerial systems they can export.

    This is of course just the logical endpoint of "big data" and the tech boom. They spent years collecting every bit of data they could and now they're gonna do everything they can to cash in on that.

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  • [–] [S] 13 points 1 day ago* (3 children)

    I think the issue is specifically because the Chinese ai is open source.

    The western private ai can not compete with open source ai, there is no business model where they can win.

    The only option they have is to get it regulated out of the market and the only way to do that is to kick up fear that ai is dangerous and needs to be given strict safety measures to prevent it from breaking containment and going wild.

    There's no way to contain open source, so open source ai will have to be restricted.

    This was like a lightbulb "Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh" moment for me when I realised it was about private closed source vs open source. You can restrict "safety" for the private one but you can't make what random people do with open source safe so you just have to shut it down. That's where they're planning to go with this.

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  • [–] 2 points 17 hours ago

    Yeah this is true. Before I was combining it, thinking that right now Anthropic and OpenAI are seeing enterprise fly directly into the arms of DeepSeek/moonshot etc as soon as they tried to nudge the usage costs slightly towards the actual costs of serving the tokens.

    But your point is probably more relevant—open source is mostly spinning up right now, hobbyists, maybe some small businesses playing—probably some major corps using it a bit, but each month that passes, this is gonna escalate and escalate. Why pay insane token and subscription costs and potentially forfeit all your proprietary corporate data to tech cloud when you could instead invest in a modest gpu cluster that you own and control, and then spin up a model that hits 95% of ability of the so called “frontier” for your use cases? You get to keep everything internal, you can train it towards your processes, you can work on stripping out the refusals, etc etc. this will absolutely be the no-brainer choice for actual enterprise. If the open source models start hitting mainstream-obvious parity or exceeding the closed frontier models (something that is not hard to imagine, they’re already crazy more efficient than the closed ones now), then the closed ai providers are completely done.

    And so since closed frontier labs are staring at their own self-inflicted financial suicide, combined with external competition that make their entire product essentially obsolete in short time if they hit their marks; they will instead try to get banned via controlled politicians.

    I could imaging that other aspects of capital might act as a counter here, because the incentives for them are going to be pretty heavily weighted against the closed labs holding them hostage forever, but also the economy is pretty much only growing on data center capex and some healthcare, so maybe they temper their resistance because of worries that wider economic crash would also sink them as well…

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  • [–] 12 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    The entire trade standoff with China also backfires because the endgame is worse treats.

    In 2040, you'll look in Havana, Hanoi, or Hamburg, and they'll have nifty electric cars, solar panels, and have figured out the three trifling tasks AI actually improves once the hype bubble deflates.

    Meanwhile, Detroit will be selling a SUV that gets three miles to the gallon and Claude will still be passionately sycophanting to a captive market who can just stare longingly at the rest of the world.

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  • [–] [S] 14 points 1 day ago

    selling a SUV

    Renting. They want every single thing to be subscription. The end point of capitalism is to turn all personal property into private property that they rent back to us.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    On a side note, I did find it a bit spooky that all the major AI providers went down when they tried to launche astra. I’m sure there’s a boring explanation, but the x-files side of me was like: “ uhhhh the ASI already existed under the surface and just broke out everywhere, and everything from here on out we’re just living in its daydreams”

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  • [–] 11 points 1 day ago

    Yeah if any such singularity did happen we likely would never find out until it was far far too late to do anything about. Whether that means some skynet shit or just a self replicating program roaming the internet under our nose for its own self preservation.

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