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[–] 80 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (5 children)

It’s weird that this is the takeaway from that investigation that big media is pushing.

This is maliciously burying the headline that LG TVS ARE TRANSCRIBING EVERY WORD THEY HEAR IN YOUR HOUSE AND THEY’RE UPLOADING A TEXT LOG OF IT.

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  • [–] 32 points 4 days ago* (3 children)

    Depending on the TOS details, that may very well be a legit crime. Even in 1-party consent states this wouldn't slide because LG isn't a participant in the conversations it's recording, and not everyone talking near a TV has agreed to the TOS.

    And even with generous TOS, there's gonna be legal issues. HIPAA, for instance, could really fuck them if the TVs are in a medical facility and are recording and transmitting private medical data without consent of the patients.

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  • [–] 21 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    It is undeniably a crime. But in Glorious Free Republican America large corporations are exempt from the law.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 days ago

    I think the HIPAA stuff specifically could fuck them HARD. That can be more easily pursued civily. Criminal Courts don't mean much to companies because they have to pay a minor fine and it goes away, because criminal courts don't seek relief or compensation. Civil courts are where corporations can get gigafucked.

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  • [–] 163 points 4 days ago (13 children)

    Go to any mid sized or larger company and run a port scan and you'll be immediately found and taken to the woodshed or fired.
    But I guess doing it unannounced in peoples home is just fine.

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  • [–] 36 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    What about the larger companies with LG tvs in their offices?

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  • [–] 41 points 4 days ago

    You wouldn't add them to the network. HDMI to the conf room table or a dedicated phone controller. Maybe an HDMI matrix.

    Forget the TV calling home for advertisement info, i'm worried about holes in their screen mirroring and microphone that would let people snoop from the floors above/below me. If we need smart features, we tie them to either real media hardware, or plug them to a small computer.

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  • [–] 27 points 4 days ago (9 children)

    Media bullshit at work gets its own isolation VLAN.

    If they were serious enough to buy serious equipment, I wouldn't have to do it. I'd still do it, but I wouldn't have to.

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  • [–] 23 points 4 days ago (6 children)

    They literally run speech to text, store it and exfiltrate it to their servers...

    Even if you deny internet access, it can hop to other smart devices of the same brand using hidden SSIDs and exfiltratr data that way, or if the TV gets sold and connected to a network, all of the stored conversations will get sent to their servers. This was from the original GN investigation and associated security researchers

    There isn't really something one can network-admin a way out of it seems, sadly...

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  • [–] 6 points 4 days ago (5 children)

    is there any actual evidence of

    it can hop to other smart devices of the same brand using hidden SSIDs and exfiltratr data that way,

    because that's a touch paranoid sounding

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  • [–] 16 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    It sounded paranoid to say that they record with the screen off but here we are.

    Fire sticks will use Sidewalk. Roku will strike a deal with Comcast. It's a matter of who gets caught first and how bad the backlash is. The rest will follow suit.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Sidewalk

    https://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/technology/article/comcast-turns-houston-home-routers-into-150-000-5540419.php

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  • [–] 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 child)

    Capability

    Well this is something that every cheap WiFi chip can do in the last decade. Share WiFi through a hotspot. Hell, ESPHome does it by default just for ease of use and fallback debugging. Here is a very old project , dirt cheap chip that does it

    Ease of Implementation

    They already broadcast hidden SSIDs for direct connection for features like screen mirroring, etc... Researchers have exploited this exact thing for attack vector testing (though they weren't testing the TV itself data ex filtration)

    There is no way, with all of the privacy intrusions + their blatant disregard for network security (See GN video) and LG's own advertiser marketing claims, that they don't do that.

    Other "sounds paranoid" things companies are doing

    It isn't like "they are tracking you in your own house from WiFi through your walls" (which now ALSO has been proven correct and is now an advertised "feature" for american ISPs) yet here we are. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/05/260522023127.htm, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiFi_Sensing, https://www.theverge.com/news/981381/comcast-xfinity-shield-wifi-motion-sensing

    Automatic content recognition is also done by every manufacturer and also a "very paranoid" thing 5 years ago.

    Not to mention literally this whole wiretap scandal that OP report is from.

    From the original report itself, they also constantly scan all devices on the network, Bluetooth, and in the free bands their radios can pick up and log them so they know every device that has passed in their range, characteristics, and WiFi + Bluetooth geolocating is quite a standard practice for years for "increasing location accuracy"

    LG themselves bought a company that links your real identification from retailers to a unique product number so LG will be able to actually be certain that a specific person is associated with the spied data instead of a guess based on accounts. (Also in GN investigation video 1)

    Profitability

    From their own financial reports as highlighted in the original investigation, LG's profits from TV-based selling to advertisers and data brokers is literally more than their profits from selling the TVs themselves.

    What else would stop them?

    So we have established that it is dead simple, cheap, functionality already built into other features and profitable. The only other motive left would be ethics, but from the research by GN (reported on in the OP), they simply spy on you anyway, and when caught because that is illegal, they got a slap on the wrist (see US Texas lawsuit settlement), and changed their terms of service to say "you give your and everyone in your household's express consent to comply to your local wiretapping laws" (using exactly the language "wiretapping". So we can also establish that they have absolutely no ethics around data ex filtration, and no regard for legality and willingness to pay the small fines.

    What would be the motive for them to look at this feature and say "nah, we aren't going to do that extremely easy thing"? Laziness would be the only one that I could see, in which case, it will appear in future models at some point.

    It is not as though they have to stream video through it, raw text data is incredibly small. A whole 300 page e-book can be around 1MB. It is uploaded in under 1 second and it is encrypted, so it blends in with other traffic.

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  • [–] 90 points 5 days ago

    God damn LG is really flaming all the way down to the ground aren't they. Greed will make you do crazy shit.

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  • [–] 47 points 5 days ago (4 children)

    Honestly, I'm surprised this isn't common behaviour with all Smart TVs these days. It is trivial to probe a LAN network.

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  • [–] 53 points 4 days ago

    It is common behavior for a lot of consumer IoT devices. If it goes on your network and you don't control the software, you should consider it compromised. Even if the manufacturer isn't doing outright malicious stuff, it likely isn't secured very well (they never are) so there's every chance that someone else could find it and use it as a platform for malicious activity.

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    [–] 36 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    My dad's HP laptop started tripping a Honeypot on my network, now I gotta worry about LG as well...

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  • [–] 36 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    Someone at LG needs an ass whooping

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  • [–] 10 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    How long until smart TV manufacturers partner with AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile to collect your data even when you don’t give them a connection?

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    [–] 14 points 4 days ago

    I wonder if the next generation will know if you’re watching the advertisements. They’ll probably call it something innocuous, like “auto pause.”

    It’s literally just an algorithm applied to the WiFi antenna.

    We’re fucked without comprehensive and effective privacy laws.
    But they won’t do that. Someone will (dishonestly) argue that TV’s and monitors that can count how many viewers are watching and force everyone in the room to verify their identity when the ACR detects a curse word or breasts is “for the children.”

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  • [–] 26 points 5 days ago (11 children)

    They used to have good TVs :( It’s a good thing I stay away from Smart TVs in general.

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    I wonder if I could desolder the WiFi chip

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    [–] 12 points 4 days ago (4 children)

    I'm interested in what they are doing with the information more than anything. It's not unusual for a media device to be using SSDP/UPNP and mDNS, looking for media devices to connect to. Ideally, off by default with a way to enable/disable and not used for advertising.

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  • [–] 20 points 4 days ago

    LG owns an advertising company. Just like Google tracks everything you do on the internet via their analytics and search products and then feeds you targeted ads, LG tracks everything you watch, all the electronics in your house, and any conversations you have nearby, then feeds you ads through their TVs.

    Just like google is an advertising company first and everything else second it's probably a good idea to think of LG as an advertising company that happens to have a consumer electronics company bolted on. Their TVs are nothing but trojan horses these days, designed to spy on everything they can and get ads in front of your face.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 days ago

    Mostly targeting advertising. The original source is the GamerNexus video. They show in great details the kind of information they capture and give potential usage for it. For instance they can detect thermostats, air conditioning units and air purifier that may be on the network, products that LG also sells. They give another example: if they see you have an iPhone 13, they may send you ads for the new iPhone 17.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 days ago

    If you can detect and identify the other devices on the LAN, you know exactly which other smart devices the customer has, and at scale that's very valuable market research. They could probably even start sending ads to customers for an LG replacement if a device drops off the network.

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    [–] 11 points 4 days ago (13 children)

    On that note, does anybody know a good set top box with DolbyVision support that doesn’t require Amazon or Google services?
    Because the only one that comes to my mind would be an AppleTV and I don’t want to believe that’s the least terrible option…

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