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Prompted by: https://www.theatlantic.com/family/2025/11/naked-locker-room-end/684907/

Today, the only naked bodies that many Americans will likely ever see are their own, a partner’s, or those on a screen. Gone are our unvarnished points of physical comparisonβ€”the ordinary, unposed figures of other people. In their place, we’re left with the curated ideals of social-media posts, AI-generated advertising, and pornography. The loss may seem trivial, but it also may change how people see themselves. Without exposure to the normal variety of bodies, we may become less comfortable with our own, more likely to mistake common characteristics for flawsβ€”and more inclined to see every bare body as an inherently sexual object, making nudity even more charged.

I'm 60. I was in U.S. public grade school in the 70s and early 80s.

Starting in Junior High, which was grades seven and eight, we were all required to take Physical Education (P.E.) classes, and we were all required to change into P.E. uniforms. The dress code for the school otherwise was minimal.

We changed in the locker room in front of each other, that meant we were nude in front of each other. This was true for girls and boys, of course, we had separate locker rooms.

Furthermore, after class, we were required to shower, which we also did together.

For both junior high and high school it was very much like this. Rows of lockers and open showers at one end. There were high windows along the ceiling to let the steam out.:

It took two or three days for everyone to get comfortable with being nude in front of each other, and that was the end of the problem. It was a small hump to get over, and everyone did, easily. By the end of the week we were all goofing around naked in the shower, like you may have seen in movies or wherever.

I'm curious about your experiences, and whether you think it's harmful or beneficial for kids to be forced to get nude in front of each other for this purpose.

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[–] 30 points 1 month ago (6 children)

We had this at my school too!… However they never actually gave us time to truly change or shower, so we just changed shirts and moved on to our next class smelling like shit

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  • [–] 29 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    We didn't have time to shower. Our under garments always stayed on. Not a single person ever showered.

    Edit: Anecdotal, but my mom grew up in the same decade as you, but she's the most body negative person I know. She even harps on people just for not wearing a bra.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 month ago* (1 child)

    I don't think your mom's negativity has anything to do with possibly being made to shower in front of other girls. Have you asked her about it?

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago

    I used to have a skin tag on my nipple, it looked like a third nipple. I tried to get out of changing in front of others, but they made me. Merciless bullying ensued, it was already pretty bad because of neurodivergence differences. My home life was abusive so I never got a break. If this were still a thing, I would do everything I could to prevent it from happening to my kids. People got bullied about birthmarks, baby fat, you know how kids are, any excuse. That is not an environment to throw vulnerable children into.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    why are you changing your underwear for PE?

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 1 month ago* (3 children)

    Boys were required to wear jock straps, and weren't allowed to wear briefs under them. B.O. is my guess. But, also, as I said, we showered together so we didn't wear underwear in the shower, either, of course.

    It wasn't a problem after the first couple of days. We just got used to it. Not a big deal at all.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    Because the whole thing was a weird grooming ritual. The whole "locker room culture" shit was considered some critical part of manhood. This is incidentally why conservatives are obssesed with the idea of grooming children now, because they invented the concept.

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  • [–] [S] -3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Not a "critical part of manhood". But, an important step to self-acceptance and understanding. This goes back to antiquity, it was not "invented by conservatives."

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago

    Same age and similar experience. We basically grew up without body shame. So yes I will walk around naked and drop my towel to put on underwear.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Holy hell, those shower poles were real?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    I think nudism is great, but it shouldn't be forced on people

    I'm fairly comfortable being nude now, it's more society that stops me than internal pressures, but if I'd been forced to be naked in my school years it would have made me very dysphoric, and there are still things I'd be dysphoric about in certain contexts these days, so the people involved would make a big difference.

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    [–] 7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Showers never worked. People just changed out of gym clothes and back into normal. Lots of body spray.

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    Back in the early 2000s when I was in middle/high school there was never enough time after PE to both take a shower and get to your next class if you wanted to. There was barely enough time to change back into regular clothes.

    7 minute passing period between classes.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 month ago

    I think the passing period is down to 5 minutes, or less in some schools, now. That's ridiculous. I suppose the idea is if the kids need to run to class, then they don't have time to cause trouble. Rather than, you know, fostering an environment of love, trust, and support to reduce the urge to cause trouble in the first place.

    This post is empty now, so I'll say it. When capitalists run the world, empathy is lost. They treat everyone as a burden and enemy to their personal goals, they see us as unavoidable, interchangeable, expendable nuisances. Love, trust, and support is not even on the table as a solution. The carrot is gone, there is only the stick. Zero empathy for anyone, including their own children. Fuck the filthy rich capitalists.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    wow. so different than mine. showers were seperated and there were benches between the lockers. Everyone sorta change quickly and often did not shower. No one wanted to be naked that much in front of the other kids. Had to go through the shower area to get to the pool and the teachers required a shower coming into the pool area but that just meant you had to be wet. Many showered in their swimsuit. Teachers had a whole talk on good shower hygenie but it did not move most of the students.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    You can just make out the end of one bench in the picture with orange lockers. It's just the angle the picture was taken from. Our pool rules were similar, but since everyone had been acclimated to showering nude from day one, they did the same after pool lessons.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    oh I think a lot of people did not do it after. the rule was shower before so you had to show up with wet hair and skin. Again though people quickly changed into the bathing suit. with regular gym wear you could keep your underwear on.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Early 90's I had to change for gym class. I've also been to clothing optional campgrounds, to me nudity isn't harmful at all. If anything social nudity would be beneficial.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 month ago

    My family spent two summer vacations at a nudist camp when I was about five. I don't remember much, but I do remember I didn't want to put clothes on at the end of the trip. It wasn't optional, nudity was required, clothes weren't allowed.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    Early 2000s for high school. We had showers but unless you were in the semester where you used the pool, no one used the showers. You had no time at all. Not that I'd have wanted to. Undiagnosed autistic, having to wear clothes over a slightly wet body world have been a nightmare. It was during swimming semester.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    When I was just entering in high school in mid 90s there was a tight knit group that would play ping pong in there. The club was called the NPPA, the naked ping pong association, they had shirts made up with the Discobolus sculpture but a paddle replaced the discus in hand.

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    [–] [S] 1 point 1 month ago

    Also, my conspiratorial mind makes me think this is intentional. That those who ultimately control what is taught in U.S. public schools want people to be more anxious and less confident. Don't help kids face their fears, let those fears fester and even foster them.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    We had mandatory shower days when we got sweaty or muddy. The PE instructor actually made sure of it in the locker room. He later came out as gay. I don’t think he ever touched anyone but we were all eye molested by a pedo.

    Showers at school are fine but privacy is good too.

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  • [–] [S] -3 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    No one wants to answer whether it's harmful or beneficial. I expected that.

    I say it's beneficial. Body shame is not healthy. No one should be ashamed or shy about how they look nude. It's a byproduct of how we're raised in western society, and this ritual of forcing kids to face and overcome the mild shame is important to self-esteem. Proof-positive that we're all alike under our clothes, and learning that clothes are used as a divider. When the richest kid in school stands next to the poorest in the shower, they're equals. Can't tell them apart, and they see that too.

    I feel sorry for you "youngsters" who didn't have this experience. Unnecessary additional anxiety. "What happens if someone sees my pee-pee?!" The answer is nothing happens. Yes, I'm mocking you, it's a childish fear, and it should be left in childhood.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    Fucking awful take. It's very clear you weren't bullied in school, and that last sentence shows to me you were doing the bullying.

    "The answer is nothing happens. Yes, I’m mocking you"

    ... Did you not read your own words?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    The public swimming pool also had goup showers so I was already used to it before middle school.

    I had this in middle and high school after gym in the early 90s and maybe I was lucky but the gym teachers were hardcore against body shaming. Had a few incidents where someone made an inappropriate comment about someone else and the teacher shut it down and explained why it was wrong every time.

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