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[–] 108 points 2 months ago (59 children)

racism noun

  1. prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group

lanzybear is an idiot

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago (11 children)

    Because what they really want to say is "it's okay and even just to be maligned to white people" without having the stones to actually say that.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago (10 children)

    No, just that there's a subtle difference between anti-white bigotry (which is real) and reverse-racism (which isn't). You can pull out dictionaries all you like but to put it in terms of a cute nursery rhyme, "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but socioeconomic bias by the ruling class can kill me and everyone I love."

    Sorry, that doesn't rhyme very well.

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  • [–] 43 points 2 months ago*

    No, this is over-complicating a very simple concept all over again.

    Reverse-racism doesn't exist because it's just regular old racism. White people can be the target of racism just like anyone else, but this is distinct from the fact that as a privileged social identity they may not be nearly as harmed or affected by that racism as a minority would. The fact that social power modulates our experiences of racism does not mean that some people cannot experience racial targeting.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

    I'd say it's less that they are an idiot and more that they don't understand there is systemic racism and interpersonal racism (there is probably a more official term here but interpersonal covers it well enough for a Lemmy comment).

    Systemic racism can only be done by the majority group with the power in a given system (usually government but it could be perpetrated in a religion, an institution, club, etc.). Red lining is a great example of that. Segregation as well. Things done by the group in power to the ones not in power of the given system. Throughout the history of the USA, this means white people oppressing other ethnicities but especially black people.

    Interpersonally, anyone can be racist. They can hold racist views and hate others without knowing them beyond their appearance.

    Edit: strike through on majority. While most commonly it is a majority group in power, it doesn't have to be a majority group, just the group in power.

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    [–] 55 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    This is a dumb redefinition of the word to have a narrower meaning than it should, confusing the conversation. You can just say "systemic racism".

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago

    I'm a big fan of "oppression". Blacks in America are victims of racial oppression.

    "Systemic racism" doesn't solve the "this is something that is bad and happens to blacks but not whites" inference while "oppression" is both implicitly bad and not something you can do tp the dominant group.

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  • [–] 45 points 2 months ago (17 children)

    Hate to be a descriptivist but no, you don’t just get to change what a word means and then get mad because people are using it the correct way.

    Racism is discrimination based on race, no matter how many arts majors screech otherwise.

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    [–] 32 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Glad to see a lot of the comments denying this idea.

    Racism is racism, fuck racists of any kind.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, there has been a movement in recent decades to redefine racism, sexism, etc. As only applying to stereotyping, prejudice, and discrimination by a person from a dominant group toward people from a marginalized group. To some extent I get that--that is why anyone ever started caring about racism etc.--and language evolves. If we as a society decide that is the only set of valid definitions, I'll go with it, because I care more about the struggle for equality than about the words used in that process.

    That said, my issue with this usage is that it is imprecise and bundles some extra judgments. This use of racism requires an extra assessment of the power dynamics between the groups each of the parties belongs to (and sometimes identifying that is a quagmire itself). I'd prefer keeping those judgments separate. For example, maybe responding to this racist troll by saying that some kind of racism cause and deepen harm a lot more than others, and he is ignoring that fact due to his own racism.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    What they are talking about is systematic racism, which defines racism + its proximity to power. IE the system cannot be really racist to white people if white people run the system. However its the system not specifically the individuals in the system that are racist.

    I believe an example would be something like if you have a white sounding name you are more likely to be interviewed over someone with a non white name all other factors being held the same. At least in say the US.

    Idiots like the person responding in the image coopted the definition to apply it to racism as a whole so they could say things like "I am not racist because i do not have systematic power but you are racist simply because of the colour of your skin, even if I am saying far more vile things and judging you based on nothing more than skin colour."

    Racism is discrimination based on a persons skin color regardless of what you look like.

    Systematic racism is more what the system does to those outside of the agreed upon "norm" inside of a system.

    There is and should be distinctions in these definitions but the internet ruins everything.

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  • [–] 30 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    I mean sure if you use your own made-up definition of what racism is.

    Racism as defined is the belief that one's race is better than another.

    It doesn't matter what race you are. As long as you hold that belief you are in fact a racist.

    Definition

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    It's basically moving the goal posts. Language is a malleable thing, however when one word is being already actively used by the majority of people for an adjacent meaning then a new word is needed. If people can't use context other than the race of the victim to determine if you mean someone was racist or racist+ then your word sucks.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    These are always my favorite: "Language is malleable." It is indeed. But that's a poor excuse, especially in situations like this, where the person in the post above is literally inventing her own definition of racism to fit her narrative.

    Language does change over time. It adapts as needed to convey meaning more effectively in discourse between people.

    Just not here.

    The concept of believing one's own race is superior to others has not changed. We already have a word that describes that state of mind.

    That word doesn't suddenly get to change its meaning the moment the established definition no longer supports the speaker's narrative. The meaning remains the same.

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  • [–] 29 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    You don't need to be in a position of power to be racist.

    Most racist chuds have no power.

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    [–] 17 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Well, ackshually 🤓

    Seriously though, that's not the definition most people use, and you're never going to change minds through pedantry. Also, people like this always seem to be colossal losers.

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    [–] 10 points 2 months ago

    This is the exact kind of post racists like to share in their own communities to show how "the woke agenda" victimizes them.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago

    People always want things black and white, they want everything to fit in neat little boxes and that's just how reality works.

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