It's almost funny how long it takes for you guys to realize. From a European perspective it has always been obvious that a left wing party in the US is still a right wing party compared to European actually left wing parties.

I hate how liberal has been conflated to mean "left" when it is a political ideology and not just a term. In addition of people going "both sides" thinking he Democrats represent the left...

You'd need to be very very blinkered to think the US Democrats are leftist.

In America you have two parties, the conservative party and the ultraconservative party

From a European point of view, it's pretty clear the Democratic Party isn't leftist. We have many communist parties on the old continent after all. But there's hope whith elected officials like Zohran Mamdani who styles himself a socialst and implements real socialist policies.

From Europe we have always known this.

What keeps shocking me is how much you guys move the reference line, it goes to the right more and more, is crazy.

It sounds so surreal to me when trump and his diperlickers call the democrats "radical leftist". Like, WTF is reality anymore for you guys?

I'm seriously worried we won't get trans rights in this country.

That’s why ranked choice voting is needed, ranked choice voting can help with this

Regardless of what direction you think of when viewing politics, we live in a capitalistic country; why wouldn't corporations have more rights than people in an economic system named after the money they make? This has been the case since the beginning, they're just being more obvious about it now because they've built up enough power that they feel invincible.

What, you've only just figured this out now??

Democracy can't exist when humans are naturally manipulatable and are manipulated by those who understand human psychology and can market ideas to them.

This is the faulty keystone.

There's nothing to even debate.

If people want their humanity back they should probably start living by the knowledge and ideals of dealing with existence that were known and learned naturally separately by multiple cultures. ...like the teachings of religions before religions got industrialized to control humanities direction. These ideals were truths distilled from the chaos of existence and are natural laws.

Also the manipulation is going to get a lot worse with AI combing our data mined to profile us. Which is already happening but the push for more datacenters means better infrastructure to expand the concept into modern policing and social marketing and precision manipulation of the life path of each individual. I don't understand how people don't realize how much of our genuine humanity has been given up over time or how people don't seem to under the push for a modern digital infrastructure that is essentially going to take us completely away from natural genuine humanity. It's happening right in front of us but all the talk about it gets diverted and funneled into marketed debates that keep people from seeing the actual truth of the goal.

We are sold a lie so that others can profit and excel ideas that are not natural, in turn the universe always works against "it" and the struggle to defend the ideas is constant requiring wars and using humanity as a resource or fuel... Instead of just existing and "being" and making heaven on earth by way of understanding natural law and utilizing what the earth is able to create naturally.

We, the participants, are enemies of authentic and genuine humanity.

Some might think what I said above means an absence of science. That is not true, it just means all of us as humanity, need to live by the ancient natural laws before or while we utilize our sciences. If we don't than we will get what are seeing today, fucked up ai usage, heartless entertainment, and cancer foods etc.

It's not even exactly a class war going on now, it's like a spiritual war. You can be an enemy of what's authentic and righteous whether you're poor in the streets or you're the president of America or regardless of your western ideological success within the system. But they will never allow you to understand this fully because they need you to fuel their ideology via marketed division, left and right, rich and poor. It keeps you/us from seeing honest reality. We have all been victims of this for a long time and need to understand even victims of this gained "success". We all need to understand and help each other break through the denial and surrealism of this true reality.

Third option when?