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submitted 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) by KingDingbat@lemmy.world to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

Sorry for the little rant here, but I've spent years using every one of the high level alternative browsers. Vivaldi, Brave, Waterfox, Librewolf, Opera, Zen, Tor etc. And of course the mainline ones: Chrome and Firefox.

These days I'm primarily using Librewolf. But, lately, it seems like I'm having to switch over to proper Chrome or Firefox to get most of the websites I need to work properly and find that more often websites are just broken in it - navigation doesn't work, certain links that perform functions (ie not just HTML links) don't work, pages don't load properly. Etc. Usually, my first course of action is try the broken website in Waterfox, Vivaldi or Tor, and also trying them after disabling uBlock and the browsers built in blocking. Typically I find that the only browsers that the broken website operates properly in would be Chrome, Edge or Firefox. This makes me think it's a basic browser vs. website problem. (And the "theorist" in me is saying that this is not by accident. Websites with G Analytics (all of them?) etc probably are broken on purpose in non Chrome browsers, but I digress...)

And so I've come to the idea, that if I'm finding myself having to use proper Firefox (The only mainline browser I would really trust the "best".) to get the website to work half the time anyway, maybe it's better for me to use that and try and make it as private as possible? Outside of installing uBlock on Firefox - are there any holes that I can patch otherwise and not break websites?

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[-] artyom@piefed.social 2 points 2 hours ago

The problem is that you're coming at this from 2 different ends of the spectrum. These privacy browsers disable a bunch of functionality, because that functionality, whether intentional or not (let's be realistic, 90% of it is intentional) can be used to track you across the web. Naturally, this disabling of functionality also breaks websites.

The solution is to find a browser somewhere in the middle. I'll get a bunch of shit here surely, but this is why I use and recommend Brave. There is a Shields dropdown where you can easily toggle a bunch of privacy features on and off on a per-site basis. Set the global default to private, then you can turn things off as necessary to get the page working (if it's not a malicious page from Meta or Google, etc.).

[-] voxel@feddit.org 5 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

My recommendations would be: use normal Firefox if that works for you, install uBlock Origin, enable Strict Tracking Protection in the settings, disable all the telemetry, enable the “AI kill switch” if you do not want any AI (including on-device translations) in your browser.

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago

did that and you're still tracked.

switching to windows and chrome seems to be the only thing that makes server side tracking hiccup, but only for a while.

[-] BladeFederation@piefed.social 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

This sounds like a settings problem, especially since Firefox works. If I had to guess, you have scripts blocked. The modern web is made of JavaScript. You may have to let that one go. That's the only setting I've personally experienced that breaks things besides Tor connections or VPN which can technically be built into a browser.

[-] FineCoatMummy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 hours ago

and not break websites?

That's the hard part! IME the more private you try to make FF, the more sites will break. Well not just FF prob any browser, but I noticed it with FF when changing about:config stuff to ressist fingerprinters and improve other privacy. BTW, Edge works since Edge is Chromium with some MS shit slathered on.

There's a bunch you can tweak in about:config. Like blocking battery charge queries. turning off various telemetry from Moz. Resist fingerprinting. Cross site referrers. WebRTC. Disable Google Safebrowsing! More private search engine. But the more you change, the more sites will break. In the end, FF with all privacy tweaks, is essentially equal to Librewolf. So if you have probs with LW, prob same with FF.

I have complained to a local utility co that their site breaks in FF. Called them up. They basically told me they get so few FF users they don't care and they told me to install Chrome. Everyone is on one of 2 phone browers, or a few on desktop Chrome.

Which is the prob with losing too much market share. It's a downward spiral of irrelevancy. But we need ppl using non-Chrome browsers, or G will fuck the web even more than it already is.

There is a whole ass other topic about Identity Resolution on the web and how more and more sites will block you if the identity resolver they use can't peg your meatspace ID.

[-] solrize@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 hours ago

You kind of can't. Web sites are inherently invasive, and mostly as a side effect of AI scraping making site operators throw up more barriers, it's gotten harder to extract just the text. In the past you could browse with something like lynx but now that almost never works.

If you're really determined you could get a burner phone and run something like a scraper yourself, to extract the article content and send it to you.

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