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For a long time I have bought the digital versions of movies off of iTunes and have more recently been expanding my physical collection. I’m curious, how big is the difference between the 4K digital version of a movie compared to the actual 4K disc? If I own the 4K digital version of a movie is there any reason to also pick up the disc version?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I have a top notch home theater setup. But I only get 4K discs for really special movies that I love and will watch occasionally forever. Most movies are just fine with the digital version, and it's super easy too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Ok, question for the community here. I have a good audio setup with atmos speakers, towers etc, and a nice TV. How much of a difference would y’all expect me to see and does it matter which 4k player I’ve bought?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I think it really depends on your gear/equipment and your own eyes/ears. Every setup is different (not just in screen and speaker quality but also in internet speeds and streaming apps). Likewise every person is different in what they’re used (what their quality standard is) to and what they notice.

Streaming 4K can range from awful to very good. 4K Blu-ray will look and sound leagues better than awful streaming but might look nearly indistinguishable and only sound slightly better compared to very good streaming and not overly picky eyes/ears.

The best is to test for yourself. I’d say if you’re unsatisfied with the quality you currently have it’s worth exploring, but if you’re already really content with the quality you currently have then maybe it’s not worth the extra cost?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Best of both worlds is Plex, rip your Blu-ray’s to a computer and stream them. I never have to touch a disc, but get full quality.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

How easy is it to rip to plex? Do copyright protections get in the way?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Let's not call it digital, because both are digital. Let me refer one to disk and the other to Demond. 😁 Chances are you won't notice it on the picture. But audio you might have more dynamics. But I doubt you will watch both on demand and a disc version side by side to notice the difference.

I went completely away from physical media for movies because of the minimalist standpoint. And rocking the on demand media over Dolby Atmos surround sound and Dolby Vision on an OLED directly over the TV (since Apple TV is causing problems since the latest update. Different story) and as long as the movie is good I am immersed in the movie. 😊

More importantly, ask yourself when making popcorn 🍿 with butter and salt or sugar? 😁👍

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I found this album while I was trying to make my decision.

Harry Potter and the Philosophers Stone: iTunes 4K vs 4K Blu-Ray - Imgur

4K Blu Ray vs 4K Itunes : hometheater (reddit.com)

As you can see, there's a clear increase in detail - especially with low light images. To me though, the differences weren't big enough. Even from Blu-Ray to 4k, the difference in detail is often negligible when they're created from the same master. Of course, streaming can vary a lot more and I'm sure there are worse examples from iTunes.

I decided to use the money I was going to spend on a standalone 4k player on more movies.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Well Apple generally streams at the highest quality available assuming you tweaked your settings. Any upgrades are rolled in to ensure the possibility of the best quality image/sound. One the features I really enjoy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Biggest difference in audio quality, especially with regards to bass. The best example would be scenes with gunfire like the opening Opera Siege sequence of Tenet or the batmobile chase in Batman (2021).

However not all movies have that big difference - if you have heavy dialogue or if there was little effort put into sound design then you might as well stick to digital.

As a guide, if the sound quality was excellent in the movie theatre then i would put down money for 4k disk.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Apple tv is the only thing close. Bravia core doesn't count

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Buying a 4K digital movie for 5 bucks, with DVD extras and the possibility you may not have it for life or if you switch countries with your Apple account, is probably worth it. I wouldn’t spent 10 on a digital movie for those reasons, I wait for the sales.

Movies that I really care about, classics, I may save up and buy a physical 4K set.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

With digital you're going to see a lot more moiré patterns or "banding" than with disc.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Oppenheimer for instance, has a 4K streaming bitrate of 24.8Mbps while the 4K BD has a bitrate of 61.5 Mbps. Those are the video-only bitrate, not combined.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I buy physical discs, yet also love digital copies. Physical discs look and sound better, but digital copies are quite handy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

The problem with 4K digital is the bitrate varies from title to title and from service to service. The audio is better on the disk if you have an audio system that can take advantage of it.

Movies Anywhere tends to be the best service to stream 4K followed by Apple they tend to be above 20 Mbps on their 4K movie streams.

I tend to buy the disk and redeem the digital code, I use the digital version when I'm not in one of my main viewing setups.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I stopped buying discs and went digital only. Apple TV is fire. The only disc I own that I’ll watch the disc is interstellar because it has the imax scenes and the digital doesn’t afaik

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

As someone who owns over 300 titles on Blu-ray and over 500 DVDs, I don’t buy physical media anymore. The PQ of 4K streaming usually meets the high benchmark I have. I also feel, it will continue to evolve and only get better.

The one area I find a tad lacking is in the audio department. Lossless audio is still noticeably better on physical media than in streaming. It’s not a data based assessment but just my perception when played thru my hi-fi system that has quality components in the chain. But again, I think with time it will get better.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Discs will remain a better option for now, until streaming service to their video quality. But honestly, it doesn’t matter to me as much. I have moved on to online library. For physical, I only get movies that I really really like, or a really good collectors edition, stuff like that. If you’re not a videophile, then online library is just fine.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

There is a big difference if the equipment you use is also up to scratch. Sound the biggest winner. Picture better the bigger screen you are watching on.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

Discs are better but I haven’t got an expensive audio setup for movies. The difference for me would be negligible so for me I just pick up films when they are on sale and drop to £3.99.

I’ve picked up most of the ones I really want over the years so it’s mainly recent releases I’m after now.

Saves me money and a lot of clutter. I’ve got boxes of DVDs in the loft.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

I also buy the physical disc with the digital copies as well. While the digital version is convenient you can’t beat the physical disc IMO. I have collected over 600 Blu-ray’s and while it’s easy to pull up some of those movies on iTunes. I still find myself grabbing the disc because I can see the difference and especially hear the difference.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The biggest difference is in audio; if you have a serious HiFi setup, it might be worth the hassle of physical to get lossless audio, but most of the time I'd say streaming is far closer to the sweet spot on the convenience-quality spectrum.

Apple TV+ and iTunes gets ~40mbps video which is more than double the quality of other streaming services already, unless you use Bravia Core to get ~80mbps. Given the efficiency of modern compression algorithms, I think you have to pixel peep or do side-by-side comparisons to see the difference. That's why I just stick with streaming and be happy.

See comparison table here.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Would a digital download from a tv (linked to iTunes with movies anywhere) be better quality than digital from somewhere else?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I've felt that for things linked with my Movies Anywhere account, that iTunes/Apple has a higher quality but I have nothing to back that up.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I agree. I mostly pirate stuff. I download mostly 1080p content. In 1080p, WEB-DL is almost always clearly inferior to bluray. Now in 4k, often enough I keep the WEB-DL no problem. h265 is a marvel.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Discussion of piracy in any form is NOT allowed in this sub.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

With the digital version you should always be able to play it. In a few years you may not have something that'll play physical media.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

With the physical version you should always be able to play it. In a few years you may not have something that’ll play digital media.

Fixed it for you!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You do know that physical media is going away right?

If you have a bunch of blue ray discs and they stop making blue ray players what will you do?

There will always be a way to play digital media.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Who told you physical media is going away?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I believe it’s some kind of bot or person paid to spread FUD regarding buying physical instead of digital. If you check his/her account history it’s only active in the big streaming subreddits and nothing else.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Makes sense honestly. The stuff they are saying doesn’t even make sense and there is no logical consistency whatsoever.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Disk is always better than digital due to the sheer amount of bitrate. Its a night and day difference.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

What about when the disc is only HDR10 on 66GB disc and digital is Dolby Vision? Like Mad max fury road or many other titles?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Usually the benefit is more in the audio department. Digital sounds like it’s coming from a tin can once you have heard Blu-ray audio.

Dolby vision vs HDR10 isnt as major of a difference as many people make it sound. Plenty of incredible movies have HDR10. HDR10 with no compression beats DV with compression any day of the week.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You can check this video by HDTVTest where he shows how the BluRay is simply outmatched when you compare it to streaming platforms like Netflix and Disney https://youtu.be/XbN00Sm0Bsg?si=wN_mU3NahleacID3

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Thanks, hadn't seen this vid

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

I suspect Joe Average won’t notice a difference in most of these cases.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

Not noticeable unless you have a proper home theater full of high end equipment.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

It’s probably best to say that physical is better for now….

The future is digital.