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submitted 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) by Skullgrid@lemmy.world to c/tenforward@lemmy.world

Semi collaborative meme. I got some advice and encouragement from @sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz , @SatyrSack@quokk.au , and the enlightened mod @ummthatguy@lemmy.world. You can see the sausage making/brainstorming process here :

https://lemmy.world/post/49934354

Also, in reference to our much missed PugJesus ...

Explanation : While we like to repeat that Trek has always been woke, some parts of the wardrobe choices have been ... more male gaze motivated instead of solely for female empowerment. Actreses did complain about Bergman's choices and biases more vocally, but always remember your roots kids.

I wanted to back up the specific actress' viewpoints with sources, but the facts aren't so cut and dry, and I cannot verify these statements. The meme does capture the mood about the outfits, while it doesn't necessarily reflect the specific events and actress' viewpoints.

The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.

EDIT : Folks, the reason for the thread isn't just to post the stuff you beat off to in the 90s. I'm not saying don't post it, but like, I'm saying it was NOT a good thing that it happened.

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[-] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)
[-] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 1 points 27 minutes ago* (last edited 25 minutes ago)

Doesn't need to sink in, it needs to rise up.

Beside that: Comfy is better than stretchy:

[-] deft@lemmy.wtf 1 points 33 minutes ago

Not gonna sink in very far from the looks of it

[-] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 3 points 1 hour ago

My head canon is that the Federation lets the newest member redesign the uniforms.

Troi's people were responsible for the TOS miniskirts

[-] TisI@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 hours ago

Wait, what happened to pug Jesus? I've noticed he hasn't been around for a while now.

[-] autonomous@lemmy.world 48 points 11 hours ago
[-] tacosanonymous@mander.xyz 41 points 11 hours ago

We were so close to greatness.

[-] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 25 points 10 hours ago

Jeeez Rod-man, I like the horndog in you when we cut that cleavage on Trio's outfit, but keep that gay shit out of here!

  • Rick Bergman, probably
[-] Steve@startrek.website 21 points 10 hours ago
[-] Apocalypteroid@lemmy.world 1 points 6 minutes ago

That does not look comfortable

[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 6 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

"~~Worf~~ Rick! That is an incredibly outmoded and sexist attotude. Besides... You'd look good in a dress."

[-] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 32 points 10 hours ago

It’s mostly Rick Berman’s fault.

It’s always Rick Berman’s fault.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 17 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Nah.

I mean, yes, in the TNG era it was Rick Berman's fault. But it goes all the way back to TOS and Gene Roddenberry himself. And also costume designer William Ware Theiss, for that matter.

From https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheissTitillationTheory :

Though Theiss was a costume designer, according to Inside Star Trek: The Real Story by Herb Solow and Robert Justman, most of the costumes — following this theory — were actually somewhat more modest before being "improved" by Gene Roddenberry. According to the "Art of Star Trek" book, Theiss preferred to design costumes that only appeared to be in danger of slipping or coming off, through the use of strategically-placed sheer or skin tone fabric. He was further able to enhance the effect by the censorship rules of the time regarding what parts of the body could or could not be shown (the navel being the most well-known restriction). He found he could get surprising amounts of appeal from the carefully-arranged display of skin not generally considered erogenous.

[-] MintyAnt@lemmy.world 8 points 8 hours ago

Yes but also: which, out of all of them, had a sweaty, half naked "rub oil on each other" scene?

I'm all for star trek having sex and bringing it to the forefront, but woof they need to have at least some finesse to it.

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 5 points 7 hours ago

wasnt joss whedon kinda pervy when TNG was around, i heard many of the actors complained about him way after the show ended.

[-] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 10 points 6 hours ago

Whedon has no direct ties to Trek. Wrote the OG Buffy movie (not a producer), then later wrote/directed the show which was after TNG had ended. Problematic all the same.

[-] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 16 points 10 hours ago

Thanks for the mention. Figured you'd come to a solid concept and you nailed it.

Once "Dick" Berman was at the helm by Enterprise, the decon chamber scenes became the epitome of his exploitation.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 10 points 10 hours ago

Imagine having to do that with your coworkers

[-] sundray@lemmus.org 5 points 1 hour ago

I've been told to cut back on imagining that.

[-] MintyAnt@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago

Don't forget archers dog pissing on an aliens sacred tree in those exploits!

[-] daggermoon@piefed.world 2 points 5 hours ago

That was funny af LMAO

[-] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago

It was a natural reaction. He's hardly to blame. Porthos practically earned a slice of cheese for pointing out the fault in their rituals.

[-] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 7 points 9 hours ago

Thanks for the mention.

I give credit where credit is due... also, a subtle way of saying "LOOK MOD AH MAYED DIS! PAY ME ATTENSHUN!"

Figured you’d come to a solid concept and you nailed it.

Thank you.

[-] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 7 points 9 hours ago
[-] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

While I have your attention, what's the actual T'pol /Hoshi thing you were referring to? I didn't get it, nor a direct explanation.

[-] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

Just a vague sense of envy, really. Not much else to it.

[-] sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz 2 points 5 hours ago

Oh. I'm a dumbass, I searched that on google and first result was them standing in a decon chamber in there underwear so I assumed that was it

[-] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 6 points 9 hours ago

I kinda wish we had a "OG Fediverse material" tag or something.

[-] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 7 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

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[-] WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today 15 points 11 hours ago

I can't believe you didn't include/reference Marina Sirtis' "camel toe" outfit. Still blows my mind that they got away with that.

[-] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 17 points 10 hours ago
[-] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 9 points 10 hours ago

This was season 6, btw.

[-] kieron115@startrek.website 9 points 10 hours ago

I doubt any of them ever imagined that someone would undertake the herculean effort of remastering it in high definition.

[-] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 8 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

I originally wasn't even going to include T'Pol. I don't know about Sirtis' camel toe outfit. You wanna tell me?

[-] WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today 15 points 10 hours ago

I'm not a huge Trek person so much anymore so I don't recall exactly when, but I'm pretty sure it was the earlier episodes where there were times when the lavender-colored skin-tight suit they had her wear got a bit... too tight. I was young, and more into the story so didn't notice until a friend mentioned it. It was one of those things where once you saw it, you couldn't un-see it.

[-] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 12 points 10 hours ago

In the search for a reasonable quote from Grace Nichols, I polluted my search history enough without adding "Troi Cameltoe" to it.

I don't even like pantyshots or cameltoes

[-] WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today 10 points 10 hours ago

Yeah, you kinda should use a separate browser for that stuff.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

That's what Incognito Mode is for.

[-] WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today 6 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

So, your comment got me curious & I did the search. Not only is there a Facebook group named after it, but of course there's a Reddit post about it with a comment containing several links to various Troi scenes on YouTube. Here's the first, just so you see I'm not full of it (apparently my aging memory has the wrong outfit).

Troi camel toe appereance: TNG 03x02 The Ensigns of Command

[-] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 8 points 10 hours ago

These costumes are for the chuds who miss all the other aspects of Trek until someone points out how progressive it is.

[-] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 10 points 8 hours ago

Sex sells, this has been a thing since the old pulp sci-fi magazines. Get them in the door with the triple-breasted nympho aliens, so that they stay for the progressive social commentary.

[-] sundray@lemmus.org 3 points 1 hour ago

I like a bit of licentiousness in my fiction, but I hate it when it feels I'm being slopped like a hog by some cynical producer. "We know what you want, you pigs, so here's some skin for ya'."

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