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Hey everyone, genuine discussion here as fair as possible, not trying to start a war or anything 😂

So I have been an Android user for more than the last 10 years and have seen all advancements from Android since version 2. I always respected the build quality and hardware of iPhone but iOS was so restricted you could basically do nothing with it.

Lately, both operating systems have hugely evolved and have reached a certain feature parity so I felt it was time for me to give a chance to the Apple side.

So I did it and moved from my last OnePlus Nord 2 phone to the latest iPhone 15 Pro Max. I know these phones belong to different categories but my discussion will concentrate mostly on the OS stuff so it won't matter.

What troubles me is that although iPhone is certainly a nice phone with good build quality, I keep trying to find reasons that would explain and make my switch worthy but on the contrary I constantly find things that annoy me and consider loss of functionality after the switch.

So I wanted to try and give a small summary of my pros and cons as fair as possible and have a discussion around what people think.

Let's start with the cons:

  • my work uses Google Workspace accounts. Apple calendar does not fully support Google calendar syncing. What I mean is that PUSH is not supported to get immediately new events from the server but a fetch is done (by the app) every once in a while to get the updates. What is worse is that by default this is set to happen only when the phone is plugged in and on WiFi, which means that you sync stuff once a day... There is the option to make it more frequent up to 15 minute periods. However, even this makes you miss last minute changes that are not synced to your calendar. So this is definitely a no go for me, leading me to use instead.....the Google Calendar app which has no such limitations.

  • next is the photo sharing with iCloud. You can only share them with people that have Apple devices which is really annoying because my girlfriend does not have one and we used to have a lot shared albums on Google Photos. So again, I ended up using Google Photos on iOS.

  • the keyboard... My native language is Greek. Starting from the fact the for some reason Apple decided that they wanted to change the official qwerty outline of Greek keyboard by removing the final s (ς) from its place, which creates a different key placement that constantly leads to typing errors when you are used to the regular outline. Note that the ipad correctly has the outline, only IPhone doesn't. But more importantly, word correction is a nightmare. If you enter an unknown word, it never learns it and constantly tries to correct it. You have to do the whole process of going into settings and adding a word abbreviation for each unknown word... This is really bad... So I installed swift keyboard which just allows you to tap onto an unknown word and it is added to the dictionary.

  • iOS is missing some nice gimmicks such as showing your palm to the camera to get a selfie which is really more useful than the timer when trying to get a group photo

  • not showing business caller IDs in dialer!!! This is really bad. Most business have their listings on Google and Google Maps. So on Android you directly get their ID when you or they call you. I would expect this from IPhone as well and was really disappointed to see it is not there.

  • Does not support Miracast which is far more widely supported on TVs than AirPlay

  • Siri is quite more restricted compared to Google Assistant

  • Really miss my fast charging where I could charge the phone in 20 mins

  • can't easily share a WiFi password with non apple devices as done with the QR code sharing in Android

  • No actual file system when you connect it to the computer to easily share files with the phone. This was also really useful to be able to quickly use your phone as USB storage

  • No sideloading of apps!!! That was also a hit for me... You cannot have apps like ad blocking YouTube or whatever you want like you could in Android

  • Notifications seem to require more effort to work with VS how they work in Android

Now about the pros:

  • Instant and effortless camera usage

  • it does play really well with other Apple devices with features like Continuity, hand off, sharing etc...

  • iMessage (although not much for me because huge majority of my contacts are on Android). Again I believe Google RCS is getting close.

  • Backup. I really like that when you actually backup the iPhone it also backs up app data meaning that upon restore you can completely resume your work. Only thing needed to set up again is FaceID and apple pay. Android cannot do that natively. However they have started to implement APIs for apps to backup their data on Google so apps that do this have also their data restored during the process. So it's up to the devs to catch up.

  • Video quality on apps. Apps that use the camera and can fully access it's potential is really a big difference compared to Android where due to the fragmentation and no support of each different vendor you get a really bad quality when using the 3rd party apps. There are attempts to unify this under certain APIs in Android as well but it will certainly take a while.

  • FaceTime call quality is stunning. Have never been able to have such good quality calls using any other app whatsoever.

  • I would also say update support but this is not that much anymore with more established brands catching up with this. Apple offers 5 years of updates. Samsung offer 4 major updates and 5 years of patches and Google with the new Pixel 8 years!

So there certainly are some good points according to my experience. However, these are more nice to have things as opposed to functionality loss of the bad points which hurt my user experience.

What's your take on all of the above? And most importantly for those who have switched from Android, what won you over?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I use both. I typically have a Pixel and iPhone. IMO the features at this point are really on par with each other. There’s not a huge difference. However, I will point out a few benefits of iOS over Android.

  1. iOS apps are WAY more polished, smooth, and just work better.

  2. On an iPhone I can get any Google app I want and still use all the iOS apps. On Android, I get all the Google apps, but only a couple of Apple apps.

  3. The ecosystem on Apple is unparalleled. I mean, my Mac, iPad, AirPods, Apple Watch, and iPhone work flawlessly together in a way no Android set up can.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Made by a company not financially motivated to spy on you.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I just switched from S23 Ultra to iPhone 15 Pro Max. I been with Android since Nexus 4 all the way up to S23 Ultra. The main reason I switched was for connectivity such as iMessage and FaceTime. One of the big thing I noticed right way is how many features Samsung tries to copy Apple but everything feels cheap and rushed in Samsung phones.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I was about to swap to android for usb c. Thank god apple actually did it this year

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Trade in value

Traded my 12 mini (not even in perfect condition) for a 15 pro at verizon

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I think in day-to-day use they’re pretty equivalent. I agree with most of what you say, except I don’t consider being able to choose between third-party apps and services (Google Calendar and Gmail, Amazon Photos or Google Photos) and Apple’s own that are more exclusive to Apple hardware to be a con; if anything, it’s a pro. But in everyday use, I don’t care much about the difference. Mostly, I bought an iPhone when I finally wanted a flagship to last many years (and Android phones at the time were still not great at long-term support), and I like the experience of using it and don’t see a reason to change.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

people always forget privacy, built design, 5+ support, and the famous: it just works.

iPhone 15 pro + AirPods Pro 2, you're set up for very high standards for a long time. add the Apple Watch to it, an iPad Pro, a MacBook... right now, I'm typing on a Side Car'ed iPad, whilst music is airplay to my HomePod, after I was FaceTiming with my family via the Apple TV using the phone as a camera on a MagSafe support, a FaceTime call I first picked up on the watch whilst parking my car.

It's only after that I realised **how high the bar for android to beat** and that we couldn't imagine how fluid it'd get 10 years ago.

All of that private, secured, high quality and it just works all up over the air, MagSafe or USB c.

Android in the current state of the hardware cannot never beat that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Besides side load what I want on an iPhone. Android didn’t do anything magical. Or better. Both make calls. Message. Not to each other tho. MMS cross iOS to android is shit. And have same apps for the most part. Less of a sell out on iOS than android.

But the biggest thing nobody talks about. iOS users are Apple user base. Android is mfg use base. It’s a crap shoot.

Now this is leaving side load and Roms for andoid their is little in the same what does what better.

The customer base is huge. Apple only makes money off people.

Android makes money of mfg for each phone they mfg.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Apps. There are just too many iOS exclusives that I love and every time I’ve ever switched I hate how many apps I miss.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Once you’re all in on Apple it’s hard to get out of it. Or expensive at least.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

The interface. iOS is simple to use. Swipe up to unlock then swipe left to go through your home screen. The new Samsung phones look stunning but using them confuse the hell out of me. Theres different menus in each direction you swipe. I assume if I ever were to get one, I'd pick it up pretty quickly though.

Then theres the main one. All my other products are Apple. iPhone, iPad, iMac, and Watch. IT just doesn't make sense to change to a different brand, especially when I'm liking what I already have.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I dumped Android once iPhones adapted USB-C like my iPads, because I’m done with all of Androids bullshit. Samsung is garbage, I got burned by a few of their phones. I’ll never buy another Samsung product. The Nexus I had was great for about 3 months, then the defective memory controller slowed it to a crawl. Then the note that had the exploding battery problem. Haha yeah fuck Samsung with a chainsaw.

Pixels aren’t any better. Vanilla android is good but the hardware is shit. My 4a died in a year and the volume buttons never did work properly. My 6a keeps losing the eSIM, a known issue that they can’t solve. Got tired of buying a phone every damn year. Besides which their battery life is atrocious. Meanwhile I’ve been sitting here a few hours and my 15 Pro Max (bought it for the lidar) which was back at 100% from my MagSafe holder in the car is at 95%. My 6a would have been at 65-70 by now.

Speaking of the car, that was really what pissed me off enough to dump android. Something would update, and android auto would break. Waze stopped letting me do anything. Podcasts wouldn’t update. Shit got old quick. Meanwhile, my girlfriend would plug in her iPhone and it always worked flawlessly. Now Waze works again. I swear the google apps work better in iOS than they did on my pixel.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I switched to iPhone 14 Plus in March as it was the then Apple’s flagship. For some things, I still use my android Samsung phone and tablet on WiFi. Can you do something similar?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Android is run by Google which is good enough reason for me to steer clear of it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago
  1. Ability to separate home and app screens. Do not like Apple's everything on the homescreen approach. My android homescreen is clean and customized with my most needed app icons and folders such that I hardly ever need to navigate and scroll through multiple app screen pages where I keep my less used apps.

  2. USB stick like drag and drop file management on plugging in phone to a windows laptop.

  3. Downloading mp3 files, or for that matter any file, from the internet. (No, I don't care about spotify. And yes, I know the security risks of doing this and I am prepared to take responsibility for it. I do not need to be treated like a child.)

  4. Call recording without announcing it to the other person (Yup its a thing on Android. In my country there are legitimate ways to do this because its legal and in others there is always sideloading. And please spare me the holier than thou invasion of privacy BS. We all have been in situations where we wish we could have recorded a conversation).

  5. Installing FOSS (Free and Open Source Software) apps from the F-Droid store. Related point - Accessing multiple app stores.

  6. Emulators! Need I say more?

I cannot in all seriousness consider an iphone unless these features are somehow made avialable, which I do not see happening.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (7 children)

iPhones hold up their value a lot longer than Androids, that's what won me over.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I certainly don't buy a phone for its resale value. I buy it for features and functionality, so I've never understood this argument. Plus most Android phones are less expensive to begin with than iPhones.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

I can only respond to some of the cons:

  1. Google sync used to be push but Google disabled it to encourage (force) people to use Google apps instead. So GMail, Google Calendar, etc will still get push updates.
  2. Photo sharing can be done using iCloud link; select the photos, open share sheet, Copy iCloud Link. This is how I share with Android friends who wants the original copy instead of scaled and stripped down WhatsApp version.
  3. I have an apple watch which I use as a camera remote and it works regardless where I am in the photo (or not in the photo at all). People always ask “who will press the shutter” because they thought it’s on timer lol.
  4. Miracast and ChromeCast are supported by apps that choose to include it like Netflix, but not Apple’s apps such as Apple TV app.
[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

As usual, it depends on YOU. Idgaf about miracast, Google workspace, the Greek language, sharing a password, charging in 20min or whatever else you said. They might be completely valid points, but I really don’t care at all. However the pros, I do care. Ecosystem, polished apps, updates and so on. If for YOUR use case android is better, go back to it. That’s pretty much it 🤷🏻‍♂️

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

I would say you can download the Google calendar app to iOS and that resolves the issue completely. You could even use Google for work and Apple for personal.

You can 100% share iCloud Photos and everything else with other OS’, they’d just be opened in a Browser.

Personally I’ve had more issue connecting android devices to a TV vs Apple.

Caller ID thing would be a privacy law I would think.

Siri is more of a privacy choice.

Fast charging is bad for your battery. Would even say apples fastest isn’t exactly great.

Try iTunes for files.

Sideloading is the largest vector for malware on android. Also it’s used largely for nefarious purposes like ad blocking and piracy.

Notifications seems to be a preference thing. Really don’t like how they work on android.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

It’s been said repeatedly on this sub, it all boils down to use case I think. About the photo sharing, if you set the Shared album toggle to “public website” you can share the link with your non IOS family and friends. I’ve been on iPhone since 2019 and heavily into the ecosystem and don’t see myself ever leaving, I however believe that Android equally has its system and uniqueness and it’s impossible to find absolute reason to find one superior over the other , my biggest reason for iOS is the seamless integration of all devices. There are definitely going to be some features that will be missing from both platforms depending on where you’re coming from, but all in all I’m just happy with the ecosystem

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I tend to flip flop between iOS and Android but am currently deeply entrenched within Apple's walled garden.

Ironically, I work in the Google space as an engineer, use all their services for both work and personal. But, I have an iPhone. I fall into the "my family and friends all have iPhones, and it was just easier to assimilate for communication and collaboration purposes" camp. It just is. My family, some nearby, some long distance, all use FaceTime. It's important to me that far away relatives get some video time with my son. Yes, I'm fully aware that there are a million video services/apps and I've sung that tune many times but it always falls on deaf ears. FaceTime is just easier, and there's really not much else to it. I can control my son's iPad from my phone, and give him more screen time/turn it into a brick at will. So simple. i-products work so effortlessly with one another, for me and my life situation currently, it just makes sense.

To be honest, I really miss the Pixel line and the new 8 Pro is calling my name. I'm in too deep this time around, though. Phone, watch, airpods, Apple TV (hardware), Macbook Air, Airtags... I told myself if I'm going to be in the walled garden, I might as well enjoy the fruits. So, I'll continue to use a bunch of Google apps and services on my i-product, and long for a Pixel in silence.

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