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Hey everyone, genuine discussion here as fair as possible, not trying to start a war or anything 😂

So I have been an Android user for more than the last 10 years and have seen all advancements from Android since version 2. I always respected the build quality and hardware of iPhone but iOS was so restricted you could basically do nothing with it.

Lately, both operating systems have hugely evolved and have reached a certain feature parity so I felt it was time for me to give a chance to the Apple side.

So I did it and moved from my last OnePlus Nord 2 phone to the latest iPhone 15 Pro Max. I know these phones belong to different categories but my discussion will concentrate mostly on the OS stuff so it won't matter.

What troubles me is that although iPhone is certainly a nice phone with good build quality, I keep trying to find reasons that would explain and make my switch worthy but on the contrary I constantly find things that annoy me and consider loss of functionality after the switch.

So I wanted to try and give a small summary of my pros and cons as fair as possible and have a discussion around what people think.

Let's start with the cons:

  • my work uses Google Workspace accounts. Apple calendar does not fully support Google calendar syncing. What I mean is that PUSH is not supported to get immediately new events from the server but a fetch is done (by the app) every once in a while to get the updates. What is worse is that by default this is set to happen only when the phone is plugged in and on WiFi, which means that you sync stuff once a day... There is the option to make it more frequent up to 15 minute periods. However, even this makes you miss last minute changes that are not synced to your calendar. So this is definitely a no go for me, leading me to use instead.....the Google Calendar app which has no such limitations.

  • next is the photo sharing with iCloud. You can only share them with people that have Apple devices which is really annoying because my girlfriend does not have one and we used to have a lot shared albums on Google Photos. So again, I ended up using Google Photos on iOS.

  • the keyboard... My native language is Greek. Starting from the fact the for some reason Apple decided that they wanted to change the official qwerty outline of Greek keyboard by removing the final s (ς) from its place, which creates a different key placement that constantly leads to typing errors when you are used to the regular outline. Note that the ipad correctly has the outline, only IPhone doesn't. But more importantly, word correction is a nightmare. If you enter an unknown word, it never learns it and constantly tries to correct it. You have to do the whole process of going into settings and adding a word abbreviation for each unknown word... This is really bad... So I installed swift keyboard which just allows you to tap onto an unknown word and it is added to the dictionary.

  • iOS is missing some nice gimmicks such as showing your palm to the camera to get a selfie which is really more useful than the timer when trying to get a group photo

  • not showing business caller IDs in dialer!!! This is really bad. Most business have their listings on Google and Google Maps. So on Android you directly get their ID when you or they call you. I would expect this from IPhone as well and was really disappointed to see it is not there.

  • Does not support Miracast which is far more widely supported on TVs than AirPlay

  • Siri is quite more restricted compared to Google Assistant

  • Really miss my fast charging where I could charge the phone in 20 mins

  • can't easily share a WiFi password with non apple devices as done with the QR code sharing in Android

  • No actual file system when you connect it to the computer to easily share files with the phone. This was also really useful to be able to quickly use your phone as USB storage

  • No sideloading of apps!!! That was also a hit for me... You cannot have apps like ad blocking YouTube or whatever you want like you could in Android

  • Notifications seem to require more effort to work with VS how they work in Android

Now about the pros:

  • Instant and effortless camera usage

  • it does play really well with other Apple devices with features like Continuity, hand off, sharing etc...

  • iMessage (although not much for me because huge majority of my contacts are on Android). Again I believe Google RCS is getting close.

  • Backup. I really like that when you actually backup the iPhone it also backs up app data meaning that upon restore you can completely resume your work. Only thing needed to set up again is FaceID and apple pay. Android cannot do that natively. However they have started to implement APIs for apps to backup their data on Google so apps that do this have also their data restored during the process. So it's up to the devs to catch up.

  • Video quality on apps. Apps that use the camera and can fully access it's potential is really a big difference compared to Android where due to the fragmentation and no support of each different vendor you get a really bad quality when using the 3rd party apps. There are attempts to unify this under certain APIs in Android as well but it will certainly take a while.

  • FaceTime call quality is stunning. Have never been able to have such good quality calls using any other app whatsoever.

  • I would also say update support but this is not that much anymore with more established brands catching up with this. Apple offers 5 years of updates. Samsung offer 4 major updates and 5 years of patches and Google with the new Pixel 8 years!

So there certainly are some good points according to my experience. However, these are more nice to have things as opposed to functionality loss of the bad points which hurt my user experience.

What's your take on all of the above? And most importantly for those who have switched from Android, what won you over?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

The calendar push is mostly a Google thing. Just like they do with mail. For all the crap they talk about equality they basically force you to use the Gmail and Google Calendar apps if you want push notifications. And that’s why I stopped using them. Microsoft or iCloud works much better.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

What’s with people typing long ass novels for comments on here….ain’t nobody got time to read yalls 50,000 word opinions.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

long time iOS user here ipod shuffle to iphone X . I switched to Samsung Galaxy S10 (2019) because quite frankly im getting frustated with the lack of innovation, useful features from Apple even there keyboards are problematic! hahaha

i agree most of what you said. Android notifcations are better, you can even turn off entirely bluetooth and location from the control center! , youtubevanced!!! , installing 3rd party camera GCAM to my s10, more variety with the devices,

I even tried their ecosystem bought google nest mini, android auto, google pixel watch, jabra elite 75T for the TWS earbuds

Initially it was good especially during the pandemic where I can unlock my phone during covid lockdown, i can download torrents and play the series i love all within my phone.

but after awhile my phone becomes sluggish, unresponsive at first i thought it was my apps. but i watched a youtube video regarding exynos vs snapdragon processor of S10. TLDW: exynos are inferior to snap dragon. from then on my i noticed the little details you have to turn on the lift to wake option, bixby button!! you cant uninstall facebook=(. and samsung doest this weird roll out of their software update where newer phones gets to update first, but when you have older phone you have to wait

call me old geezer but when someone says android is for customization but almost all users want the most vanilla android the one with 2 apps one coming from google one coming from Samsung.

that when i decided to switch back to iOS because of the little details - your alarm slowly rises, A series chip is the best mobile chip around, emojis to me are bettern at iOS, not having system ads on iphone, and quite frankly some apps works so much better on iOS - instagram ( check MKBHD video about that, spotify new features comes to iOS first before android, even RCS only comes to the Philippines on late 2019!!! ..it just works

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I find that the OS of your community matters a lot in phone choice. If everyone around you uses android and you don’t have any other Apple devices - then sticking to Android would make more sense. I had often switched back and forth every time I renewed my phone contract - depending on how the other side had updated. Apple has advanced and opened up a lot since the early days. Sometimes you can avoid some of the their restrictive features if you have more of their products. For example, you now have a proper file app and drag and drop files via dongle to an usb stick or hard drive. But if you have a Mac too, you would just add files to iCloud storage and it would appear on your computer, no need to sync. Same with phones and videos. If you somehow need to transfer a file to a foreign Mac or iPhone you can use AirDrop which uses wifi and Bluetooth to transfer big files very fast directly between devices.

They did do a big update to the keyboard with the most recent OS update, perhaps they fixed the Greek keyboard? Not sure.

Siri isn’t that great and is best left for basic commands.

The case and accessory market is often not addressed. iPhones always have a huge amount of cases and accessories available and for many years afterwards. Whereas I’ve been surprised how tricky it can be to find a variety of cases/accessories for android phones and this drops off dramatically after a few years. Once looked for a Huawei case a few years after and only found like five on Amazon?

I think the newest iPhones have fast charging? Not 100% sure.

They do have a big focus on security and privacy, as they make their money through expensive devices, rather than leveraging your personal data and selling access to you to advertising companies.

They also have the best customer service you will come across, you can directly contact them and get help with issues surprisingly quickly. Even if the product is out of warranty.

Apps are often better designed for iPhones, as app devs have a set amount of screens to design for. Often with android, apps are just stretched to fit the screen. It can be hit and miss.

All depends on what is important to you. If you want ultimate flexibility and are happy to risk security and privacy and have a lack of variety of cases/accessories - Android is great. If you want something nicely designed with a focus on security, privacy, stability, resale value, high number of available accessories for many years and are happy to live with some restrictions, a much worse AI Assistant and lack of compatibility with other devices, then iPhones are good for that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

You are 100% right about the community importance.

What you mention about accessories is also correct. Personally, I am quite a plain user for that (I only need a case and screen protector glass) so I haven't felt it.

The iPhones have fast charging of 25W. My previous midrange charged at 65W... For my iPhone I need 45 minutes to get a full charge while with my old one I needed 20.

What I am not sure about is privacy. Android has also introduced a lot of permission wise controls for the apps. But can't really insist whether in total they offer more privacy or not

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

For YouTube try PreTub from the store, it's a good alternative for ad free YouTube.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Thank you I wasn't aware of that!

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

samsung 4 years?

I bought my phone in 2021 and this is my last update

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Both platforms have things I like and things I don't like; I consider neither perfect. I think Android has gotten more stale over the last few years, and for me, iOS has always been stale (I'm not really saying that in a bad way, it's just that iOS has always been kinda same-y). If both platforms are going to be stale, then I feel like Apple is the better way to go. If Android ever got interesting again, I'd probably switch back since I have no investment in the Apple ecosystem and I don't have any plans to.

To be clear - I'm perfectly content with iPhone, but the few things I miss about Android are pretty big for me so that's why I say I'd switch back if the phones ever become interesting again.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I'm choosing IOS over Android simply because I'm too invested into the Apple ecosystem now and the seemless connect ion between all the Apple Devices is really nice and practital to me.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I took a photo off someone’s S22 the other day, the speed was shocking, took a few seconds! That seems to be a new thing for android, my s8 was brilliant.

Reliability and the watch are the main things locking me in, the pixel and the flip look really nice hardware wise, but android feels like it takes more work to get working for me

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Backloading/ Emulation

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Can confirm I can actually… ahem “do something” with my phones. I can’t customize trivial things but it’s a productivity workhorse.

Google could at any time work on enabling push for iOS devices. Of course then you won’t download their apps specifically. Exchange based accounts do not have limitations regarding push services from accounts though.

You can technically share photos but you’d be generating a public link that automatically expires or a shared album that can be accessed by anyone with the link. So definitely if Google photos works better for you, use that.

I don’t find Siri restrictive. I find it intentional and even more important…customizable with shortcuts. Saves me hours a week to perform workflows I create between iOS and macOS.

I can’t really speak to the rest because they either don’t apply to me personally or I think of them as extremely trivial.

So yes, can’t change a bunch of silly things at all or as easily like text, icons, and layouts, or put potentially dicey apps on it…. But I can manage my life far easier on iOS vs the Wild Wild West of Android experiences. And that’s a win for me, I don’t have time to play with phones anymore🤷‍♂️. Came from Android after maybe 10 years, and not planning to go back anytime soon.

But the real reason? Apple designs and releases things intentionally so i know what I’m getting and it’s reliable for a long time. Android is not as reliable. Many makers have come and gone and users have to keep learning a new UI, Google is on their second line of products, Samsung is the leader of the pack but they allow bloat and tie you to a very pointless App Store, others are just very bad on release schedules and pushing updates.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

It sounds like you should have just bought a pixel.

Most Google apps used in Android are also available on iOS as Google pays Apple billions every year to push their services on Apple users. So this solves most of your problems right away. Just use WhatsApp or whatever third party messaging app if you want. I don’t get the fascination with all those third party messaging apps. On Android I always used whatever googles stock messaging app was. On iOS I use iMessage. What’s the point or purpose of using a third party messaging app other than social media bullshit? Just download your preferred scrolling app of your choice and dissolve into the digital world lol.

The few and tiny things you think you’re losing on iOS are more than made up with superior software support, top notch hardware and components, and a fully matured and fleshed out operating system.

I used Google devices for over a decade and there’s no way I would ever go back. The play store is a joke compared to apples App Store. The security and privacy are virtually non existent. I have met more people with bugged out malware infected Android phones in a week than I have a messed up iPhone in my entire life.

Better modems, better software, better ecosystem.

Letting social media aspects make your phone purchase choices for you is a mistake. Social media isn’t everything and is a blight on society imo.

I tell people all the time when they ask for my whatever handle to just email, call or text me. It’s really not that hard.

If you want cheap hardware and an ecosystem created by the biggest ad company in the world then grab a pixel. Otherwise the iPhone is the better choice.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I respect both iOS and android platforms, but I lean more towards iOS. -The Apple Card and Apple savings account alone often outweighs my desire to move back to android. -Not to mention every year whether you upgrade your phone or not you are quickly updated to the latest software update. -Hardware and accessory availability

  • iOS widgets have exceeded those on android in my opinion
  • Apple’s native suite of apps are also a stand out for me. That includes Reminders, Apple Notes and reminders
  • The availability of Fantastical, which is my preferred calendar is only available on iOS. -MagSafe!!!

I know I’m missing something but I’m sure you get my point. It’s kind of hard not to side with the most successful company in the world.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Apple savings' APY has fallen a bit below other high yield savings options btw. Capital One, for example.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I don’t buy things from ad companies pretending to be a tech company.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

In a word, consistency.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If Apple allows sideloading modded apps it's over.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

That would be sth major and supposedly they will need to do that for us European users due to legislation. Let's see

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Basically agree with everything you said. I've had an android since samsung galaxy s1 and moved to the pixel then to an iphone 14 pro max. Both operating systems have their cons and pros. I'll probably stick with an iphone for awhile. Sometimes it feels like the cons of the iphone just to much but then I use like my airpods and remember how flawless it is.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Nothing. I was hardcore android from the htc g1 till the note 7 fiasco. I can’t honestly think of one actually useful thing (for me) that android could do for me that iOS can’t. That’s my $0.02.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Three words: Security, Longevity and Ecosystem :)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

And privacy… opposite of everything Google

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I miss the “open” attitude of Android and the willingness to be more customer focused from Android Manufacturers.

Apple notably prioritises profit over customer’s ability to use their devices as they choose. For example:

The resistance to move to USB-C although it would clearly benefit their users and they already did it on their pro products like MacBooks as they know it’s the superior standard. The EU had to step in on Apple customers behalf.

The lack of developments to control Apple products customers have purchased on other platforms, like no Android app for child controls on iOS devices, and controls for things like HomePods.

Lack of user profiles on iPads as they want you to buy a iPad for every member of the family and force them to be single user devices. Tablets are the perfect multiple user devices in the home. Android sported this years ago.

Lack of touchscreen “flip” style MacBooks, as they want you to buy a MacBook and iPAD

The ridiculous amount of default iCloud storage for a $1K purchase. Apple gives you 5GB which you quickly fill up then it’s pushing you to buy a plan. Android/Google gives you 15GB free, 3X as much!

Lack of development of iCloud apps for web browser access. You can access google calendar, google drive, google photos using any browser, on any computer, on any operating system anywhere in the world. And the UI is superb. Apple is very very poor in comparison, as they want you to purchase another device.

So I miss how much Android manufacturers actually make it easy for their customers to have free consumer choice

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

iMessage and FaceTime. That's it. Literally. My group friend moved to Signal/WhatsApp. So we chat and video chat on those platforms. It's just the people outside of the group that becomes an annoyance. Android is superior in every other way.

I have an iPhone 15 Pro for work, my personal phone is a Galaxy S23/23 Ultra.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Tbh I would have stuck with android if everyone I spoke to was on android. The only reason I switched back to iPhone was because everyone I talk to is on iOS and it’s just a better experience when everyone is on the same platform. I wish everyone I spoke to was on android, cause I much prefer it. Especially notifications.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

MKBHD put out a great video recently outlining the strengths and weaknesses of each platform based on what you value from your phone. I largely agree with his assessment. The mainstream slab-style smart phone product category has reached maturity as hardware innovations have plateaued and Android and iOS are the closest they’ve ever been to feature parity. The folding phone form factor is still in its nascent stages and is an exciting frontier of innovation, but their high prices make them out of reach for most consumers. These are the factors that are important to me and the reasons why I stick with an iPhone.

1: Longevity. I’ve had my iPhone XS for going on 5 years and I’m still receiving the latest software updates, not just security patches. Samsung and Google have promised to start offering this kind of long term support for their latest phones, but they simply don’t have the proven track record yet. Meanwhile, my phone is showing signs of age, buts it’s still responsive, runs the most up to date versions of apps, and is completely usable day to day.

2: Ecosystem. The longevity of Apple products in general leads me to purchase more Apple products. I have Macs that are more than 10 years old that are still functional for daily use. I have an iPad, an Apple TV, my family uses Macs and iPhones too. While an Android device might bring some novelty, it wouldn’t make sense to try to integrate with the rest of my digital ecosystem.

3: Trust. I fully admit that I may simply be a sucker for Apple’s PR and marketing around privacy and security, but as far as evil mega-corporations are concerned, I trust Apple far more than I trust Google.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Yeah I agree. I have always had Google pixel phones for many many many years. I’ve had my 13 Pro Max for more than a year and a half and I have an iPad 9 and AirPod Pro2. I’ve had Google pixel three XL, Google pixel five, the phones were decent quality. The software I was always on the beta program which even in production level had quite a bit of bugs on it unfortunately. On Apple’s beta program the bugs I experience are very small very mute.

I will say that as far as applications go, iOS applications are much more polished. They were smoother, the gestures in my opinion are smoother, is faster with iMessage. Sure Apple to Google you still need the old SMS technology until Apple adopts RCS next year, but that’s obvious.

I use Google Photos primarily still on my iPhone and my iPad and it works for all asleep. As far as workspace goes, you’re right, if you Google workspace then you would have to use Google calendar. for my job we use Office 365, so the Apple system calendar sinks beautifully with my work calendar and my Google calendar and I have no complaints about that. They’re always third-party Calendar alternatives in the App Store so you can always check out an alternative none iOS system app if you need to. As far as the longevity of iPhone versus android, I find a very interesting that Google just started advertising seven years of major OS updates not just security updates. apples had this for almost ever. The build quality of my iPhone is in my opinion far better than my pixels were.

Do I miss anything from my older Google pixels? Well, at first I thought I would, but my wife even asked me if I honestly do; I don’t actually miss anything from my Google pixels. Just getting used to the Apple ecosystem which is much more flexible and today’s date and age and it ever has been in the past thankfully.

I will say that android auto versus CarPlay, of course Google copied Apple for the UI of the infotainment system. But when I had android auto, it was horrible. Google Assistant barely worked, and the system was just not good. Apple CarPlay works so much better.

Granted, I am not a heavy user. I’m not a gamer, I have a Sudoku game on my phone and my iPad which works fine. I use my iPad as a streaming TV for Sling TV and YouTube etc. etc. which works beautifully in my house. The battery life is phenomenal. The cameras are phenomenal. Etc. etc. as far as Software ecosystem support is very polished. I’m not taking anything away from Google in the pixels nowadays, but there were certain UI elements of android that I didn’t like. For example, on the home screen when you unlock the phone you still have a bar on the bottom I don’t know why you need that. Most people don’t really care but I always did care. The iPad/iPhone don’t have that. And you don’t really need that. Apple also does dark mode way better than Google does. Google does a dark mode, where is Apple does a pure OLED black mode.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Video Lite is a thing buddy, you only get one add when you start the app then you have youtube premium for 39 hours.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Apple Watch and AirDrop

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Instant and effortless camera usage

You have this as a pro but it’s my main con. iPhone photos are now overprocessed for my taste.

However I am unwilling at this moment to give up the effortless integration with my Apple Watch, Mac, iPad, etc.

If I didn’t have those things, I’d heavily consider and Android

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Nothing anymore, to be honest, just the investment into the ecosystem.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I used to use Android OS phones. I’m comfortable with my iPhone.

As far as Apple’s Calendar vs. Google Calendar, Apple’s Calendar is not a factor. I just use my Google Calendar app as my default calendar. On the odd occasion that I need a reminder that is not available in the App, I go to the Google Calendar website which I have bookmarked in the DuckDuckGo app on my iPad. After I set the reminder in website, it quickly syncs into the app. This only comes up when I want a reminder to occur simultaneously with an earlier event’s reminder whose time is not conducive to what is available in the app. I will almost always set multiple reminders to help me remember.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Huh, fast charge? Even the fast charge on my 12PM is insane. 20 minutes should give you plenty juice. Are you using a powerful enough adapter?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I prefer the overall design of Android with an app drawer, back button/gestures, the ability to side load if needed, and hardware variety.

I left Android because the best experience (Pixel) wouldn’t let me dial 911, I’m not the first, and it’s an ongoing thing for 2 years. I like Samsunghardware but there’s always a miss software wise, and I don’t need 2 versions of all apps.

Apple integration with AirPods, iCloud, etc just works way better than Android. Switching APP to my Apple TV is fantastic. Auto switching between other devices is killer too.

Find my network is unmatched.

The watch kills Android watches. I think $800 for an Ultra that gets good battery life is ridiculous but it is fully featured.

Cameras. My pixel could take good shots most times, but not always. But they’re leaning too hard to AI and languishing in other areas. Speed of the UI, Consistency of shots colors and lighting, and frankly, quality just sometimes misses. It can’t do Macro nearly as good as my iPhone.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

It used to be simplicity up to around iOS 5 or 6.

But these days it’s as complex as Android but I still stick to Apple because now I’m used to it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Go back to Android. A phone at this point is so much an extension of you that if you are having second thoughts, go back to the other phone. Perhaps the question should be, why do you even want an iPhone? I am an iPhone user since the very first iPhone. I've never consider moving to another system. I've tried, taking advantage of the various offers, but I like my iPhone better.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

iPhone does everything I want it to, looks beautiful, and I’m familiar with the UI out of the box.

Yes I could learn Android, or I could customize Android to be just like iOS, but I do IT for a living and don’t want to troubleshoot when I’m off the clock.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's actually really hard to customize Android to be just like iOS. I tried Android a few years ago expecting to be able to customize everything to make my perfect phone, but as it turns out most of the customization you get is extremely superficial.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I wasn’t gonna say that and shit on the Android iOS makeover lovers, but yeah. The Android iOS themes you can get are cool for what they are, but you can tell it’s an Android under the hood.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I find the ios very customizable imo. You can have it set to full straight brain rot mode or complete silence or business mode. The DND function is also amazing. You can choose which contacts can call and which can’t specifically on each mode. Whereas Android does not have that freedom

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