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I will not defend Stalin and I will not defend the CCP. Just because capitalism isn't good doesn't mean that we have to glaze imperialist states. Ask Ukraine and the Baltic states how good they had it during the USSR; my point being that pro-USSR sentiments are largely just pro-Russian propaganda.

China is doing some good nowadays, but it still definitely has corruption. There are still billionaires, polluted air, capitalistic factories—which have terrible working conditions and sell cheaply made carcinogenic products, they're building AI data centres—some of which will boil the water temperature, bans citizens from accessing a lot of websites, etc.

I even decided to join a solidarity website and it mentioned f**cking Kim Jong-Un as a leftist figure ffs 💀. Literally, ANY North Korean defector will tell you how bad the North Korean regime is. The site had no mention of actual decent examples like Peter Kropotkin, Nelson Mandela, Thomas Sankara, Martin Luther King Jr, or even Pierre-Joseph Proudhon.

Edit: did not know that Proudhon was a bigot. My bad; thanks immensely for telling me.

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[-] Malyca@lemmy.zip 61 points 6 days ago

When we see a tankie, we laugh and point, then we move on. There's no talking them out of it. I grew up in the USSR, they don't believe my experience. Laugh then ignore.

[-] oceancloud@discuss.online 9 points 5 days ago

There's nothing a woker-than-thou hates more than someone speaking from their own lived experience.

[-] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 points 3 days ago

I imagine someone fairly well-off and someone in grinding poverty may have different lived experiences in the same economy.

[-] oceancloud@discuss.online 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

True, but the lived experience of the well-off person is almost never the experience I've seen disregarded. It's usually trans people, especially trans people assigned female at birth and, more rarely, trans women/ people assigned male at birth who have lived as women for decades, people from former Soviet countries, and people living in abject poverty who're told their personal experiences are a psyop.

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[-] sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz 45 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

My biggest growth with leftism was just learning to let other well meaning people be wrong. I'm wrong most of the time but inviting other people to dunk on me never really fixed any of my issues so it probably wouldn't help anyone else either.

There's plenty of online space for people who think capitalism has to go but maybe we shouldn't slob off mass murderers and imperialists to make that happen. It's not a worldview we actually have to fight other internet leftists for. Especially since nothing done online is praxis.

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[-] emmy5482@quokk.au 43 points 6 days ago

Those aren't leftist spaces. They're propaganda places for China etc

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[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Personally I don't consider authoritarians to be "leftist".

Tankies and libs are both right-wing just with different imperial branding.

[-] Herr_S_aus_H@lemmy.zip 11 points 5 days ago

I don‘t think that this attitude is productive. Every school of thought has the potential of turning authoritarian and attract people who just want power and influence over people.

[-] king_comrade@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago

This fact is why anarchism is so appealing to me, they don't have all the answers but they've at least identified the problem: Authority.

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[-] ddplf@szmer.info 37 points 6 days ago

Tankies are only lefty on the economical spectrum, they are also full-blown authoritarian bootlickers. Fucking disgusting parasites if you ask me, sick in the head all of them.

[-] Comrade_Spood@quokk.au 40 points 6 days ago

Just an fyi, and speaking as an anarchist, I would NOT consider Proudhon a good example. Bro was a supporter of the Confederacy, as well as quite a few other very problematic stuff.

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[-] flandish@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago

also helps to remind those folks china and russia are capitalist.

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[-] itsjustachairmary@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

I agree with the sentiment, absolutely, but I have to say I snorted a bit when I read 'leftist spaces have a lot of red flags' lol. Yea, kind of the flag of choice here lol (though I prefer Anarchist black or a combination of the two)

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