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[-] dabaldeagul@feddit.nl 49 points 3 weeks ago

Ah, so everything that they previously made illegal to track. Nice.

[-] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 2 points 3 weeks ago

Came to post exactly this

[-] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 38 points 3 weeks ago

Why are so many places trying to speedrun society into totalitarian shitholes? <--Rhetorical

[-] zergtoshi@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Because the politicians who propose or vote for unethical laws don't face any repercussion - so far.
I wonder whether they've heard of guillotines...

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I mean, if you can't get people to just vote them out, ultraviolence isn't really on the table either.

[-] zergtoshi@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

For voting you need a majority to succeed.
For operating a guillotine not so much.

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 3 weeks ago

Well then, why don't you get on that?

We both know the answer, and it's that pulling the cord isn't the problem.

[-] zergtoshi@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Maybe I'm just not desperate enough (yet?).
I wouldn't imply that for all other people though.
And of course the guillotine is a figure of speech; other measures that lead to the same end may be taken.

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 weeks ago

Of course it is. But this applies to any other variation of wanning a revolution.

If you actually get involved in politics, it becomes clear pretty quickly that people DGAF about it. Even the 45% or so that say they do. How to use your mass public support to achieve political change was never the question, it was always "what public support".

[-] plyth@feddit.org 3 points 3 weeks ago

Rhetorical

Is it? We don't know the real motivation which makes it difficult to convince the politicians to not do it.

[-] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 9 points 3 weeks ago

Greed for power, money and control is the real motivation as far as I can tell.

[-] plyth@feddit.org 1 points 3 weeks ago

This lockdown won't create a creative society and thus won't create prosperity. I think everybody here knows.

Are we governed by stupid people? The money and power will be gone. It's like turning into communist eastern Europe.

If they are stupid, how can they stay on top?

To me, it looks more like them being intelligent and paid off. But what's the goal?

[-] RedGreenBlue@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 weeks ago

Short term profit and corruption.

[-] usernameunnecessary@lemmy.zip 25 points 3 weeks ago

We're going downhill, dragged down by the American fascist toddlers in charge

[-] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 9 points 3 weeks ago

This goes much farther than just America (or any one country) and the US is largely in the place it is because outside interference went unchecked for years. This is a global problem that won't be solved by focusing on any one country or it'll be like a giant game of whack-a-mole that never ends.

[-] usernameunnecessary@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 weeks ago

Agreed, I was referencing the US because of its negative influence

[-] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 1 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah there's a lot of negative influence going around, it is very unfortunate.

[-] 20cello@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

We need a petition for this,also restrain orders for the politicians involved into this

[-] ximtor@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 weeks ago

Yes please. Seriously what can we do about this whole shitshow? Become politically active? But as an individual?

[-] runiq@feddit.org 12 points 3 weeks ago

Oh great, haven't had one of these in a hot minute!

[-] PromKingJosh@tarte.nuage-libre.fr 12 points 3 weeks ago

At one point one might think the Internet is finished and it's way less stressful to just return to monkey (no /s)

[-] botbot@feddit.org 7 points 3 weeks ago

Fuck the Commission

[-] JensSpahnpasta@feddit.org 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

How would something like that even work on the fediverse. Let me have an account here. I'm posting from feddit.org to somewhere in Lemmy.world. All Lemmy.world is getting is my post via federation, but not stuff like location, device, IP and so on. So if this comes into law, every european fediverse instance is totally in breach of that law. And all that platform can do to migitate that is to defederate every Non-EU-instance and try to implement this tracking with the EU-instances leading to a split in the fediverse between EU and Non-EU.

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 16 points 3 weeks ago

These laws, near-identical versions of which are being rammed through in many countries simultaneously, could make it legally and financially infeasible for anyone but wealthy corporations to run online services. You have to suspect this is by design.

The effect will be that all communication has to go through censored, commercial channels with integrated deep surveillance. Political dissidents will be unable to organize without being flagged, and left-wing messages will be easy to suppress. Combine it with the recent tendency to cut left organizations off from banking and payment systems, and it starts to look pretty attractive to governments who know their populations are going to be angry about what is coming.

The climate crisis is really starting to bite and our political and economic systems are only equipped to serve the wealthy few. If the next crash is the big one and people start to starve, governments and the few they serve are going to need all the tools of suppression they can get.

[-] ramble81@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 weeks ago

They want info on VPN users specifically.

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