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[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 119 points 2 weeks ago

Being an American wanting an electric car must be a nightmare!
Not many options, and all of them are too expensive, because competition is stifled by keeping competition out with insane tariffs.

In Europe we are spoiled with choice, lots of European brands with lots of models, and we even have American although we don't want them, but we also have Chinese although they do have an EU import tax, to compensate for the Chinese subsidies.

But several Chinese brands are becoming quite popular, especially BYD and XPeng have become popular here in Denmark.

[-] finalarbiter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Yeah, it's extremely frustrating here. The EV market actively sucks with limited options and inflated prices. I also bought a used Polestar 2 last year, so now I'm extra frustrated.

My guess, however, is that PS just didn't care to deal with obtaining the waiver- the brand has sold poorly here in the US and they've been posturing to exit the market for a few years.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

For some reason Polestar doesn't seem to be doing as well as it deserves in many markets.
I hope you can have yours maintained as long as is required even if they leave the market.

It was a runner up when we bought our EV.

[-] finalarbiter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

If they're priced the same as the US models, it's little wonder they're not selling well. MSRP for the P2 was ~70k USD which is a non-starter for most folks.

I got mine used at 4 years old with 74k miles on it (fortunately EVs generally tend to last towards 200k miles barring any other issues) for 20k, it's the only reason I could afford to buy it. Otherwise I was probably going to go with an ID.4 which was at a similar price point. What did you end up going with?

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

Here in Denmark a Polestar 2 is just below $50,000 excluding VAT but including all other taxes.
Competition in USA is absolutely destroyed by crazy tariffs.

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[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

We ended up with a 4 year old ID.4, 😋
We could have had a more powerful Polestar cheaper, except my wife didn't want anything Chinese, and insurance was more than 50% more expensive on the faster Polestar.
But we got a nice ID.4 77 kWh battery, and with literally all the options included.
One of our neighbors however went with the Volvo, which is also very nice.

Driving electric is really nice IMO, it feels absolutely super luxury compared to a similar ICE car.

[-] finalarbiter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 weeks ago

Absolutely agreed, I can't imagine going back to an ICE car for my daily driver unless I absolutely have to.

I periodically have to rent a car for work (I travel a lot) and never realized how much noise engines make until it was conspicuously missing from car. The PS is also just super comfortable and feels great on the road, while my rentals rarely are/do.

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[-] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 weeks ago

It's just a Volvo. Volvo specialists will maintain it. They'll also maintain Lynk&Co probably.

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

I wasn’t even aware they were selling in the US. I used to pay attention since they seemed to have compelling vehicles, but never here and never affordable

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[-] ramble81@lemmy.zip 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It’s gets better. Even if you find an EV, the states tax you more than an ICE car. Texas has a $200 yearly fee to supposedly make up for lost gas tax revenue. But at 20c/gallon and assuming 30mpg, I’d have to drive 30,000 miles to offset that cost (only drove about 8,500 miles per year).

And now they want to do the same at the Federal level with another $150 tax (federal taxes are 18c/gallon), which would be another 25,000 miles.

So I would be taxed $350/year to offset “gas tax losses”, which would only even out for me if I were to drive 55,000 miles in a year.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

I heard about that, and that's crazy. You gotta love all that freedom. 🤥
I don't drive nearly that much either.
I understand the logic of the tax on gas to pay for roads, but here an EV is taxed less because it pollutes less. USA needs more of that.

[-] ramble81@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 weeks ago

Realistically we should be taxing by weight and miles driven as the former causes the most damage to the roads. At that point the propulsion type and efficiency don’t really matter. EVs actually would be taxed more given that they’re heavier, but it’d also proportionately tax trucks and larger vehicles correctly at that point.

You could easily implement it with a yearly odometer reading with your registration or inspection and every car has a GVWR registered with it.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Yes that would be fair, but IMO there should be an environment tax on gas.

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[-] green_goglin 16 points 2 weeks ago

It’s almost as though Tesla is being granted a monopoly.

[-] redsand@infosec.pub 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Hey just a friendly reminder those Chinese EVs are backdoored with an Elon style god mode like Tesla. Lots of modern cars have a similar issue but EVs get it bad. Tl;dr rip out your car's modem.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

I bet all the new cars are unfortunately, my VW is also constantly connected to VW.
We need to make that shit illegal. Until then we have to live with it, just as with our smartphones.
I know I can install AOSP and get rid of it, and I did use that for years, but I just want the hassle anymore.

[-] redsand@infosec.pub 4 points 2 weeks ago

Not ALL but most yeah. It's partially just for data mining to make new cars more profitable but is also an easy way for spooks to RC a car

[-] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 7 points 2 weeks ago

In Europe we are spoiled with choice

Even more so in Australia, as we have zero tariffs, as the new EU trade agreement removed the small tarrif that was on EI cars, none on Chinese cars.

I have a BYD and charge off solar panels on my roof

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[-] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I'm interested to see how the low-cost Chinese brands do on longer-term reliability. Their initial build quality is generally good, but their product cycles are so short that I don't see how they can capture knowledge that leads to them correcting design defects. To me, it looks like too much churn. But maybe they'll be fine. We'll have to see.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

This is absolutely an issue, having used many 2nd hand cars for decades, most of them Japanese but also French because they were cheap, I was extremely astounded when we bought a 14 year old German built Opel Vectra, we had it until it reached 20 with next to no repairs, before it finally gave in mostly because of a legal technicality.

When we had our new (used) car at the shop, and borrowed an only 8 year old mid range car, there was no doubt that compared to that, our 20 year old Vectra was still a way nicer car, faster, smoother, more powerful and better comfort, and also better looking IMO, and would absolutely be worth the repair that was only a sixth of what that 8 year old car cost on the free market!

Problem is that our old Vectra is $850 in taxes per year, because the fuel economy isn't as good as newer cars. And that $850 per year tax kills the economy of keeping it.
Our new car that is heavier and way more powerful is only $100 in taxes per year!! Because it's an EV.

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[-] merde@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago

to compensate for the Chinese subsidies.

🤣

rather to keep European manufacturers afloat. Protectionism under a different name.

European car makers too profit from subsidies and they make worse e-cars for double, triple the price.

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[-] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Being an American wanting an electric car must be a nightmare! Not many options, and all of them are too expensive,

Chevy Bolt MSRP is $28,995.

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[-] sol6_vi@lemmy.makearmy.io 71 points 2 weeks ago

I'm getting so tired of reading fucking "that should terrify you!" In headlines. We are all sufficiently fucking terrified shut the fuck up.

[-] Bosht@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

Just that type of headline that tells you how you should feel period. Thank you headline, I'm now annoyed. It's never any other emotion youre trying to force on me, just irritation or rage. That and the whole 'read that again'. Fuck off.

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[-] Denixen@feddit.nu 8 points 2 weeks ago

In our reverse world, the more hyperbolic the title is the less worthwhile content the article contains. Use this to filter out content that can be safely (ironically) ignored.

[-] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

100% I have enough actually traumatic things happening around me tyvm.

This is proof that you should never bend the knee or try to appease that facist state. Polestar moved production to the US and still got banned. They don't believe in non-zero sum economics, you will always be the loser even when both party's could win.

[-] pageflight@piefed.social 48 points 2 weeks ago

The U.S. Department of Commerce’s Bureau of Industry and Security denied Polestar an authorization under the current Connected Vehicle Rule to sell cars in the U.S. from model year 2027 on. That’s because Polestar is a subsidiary of Geely, a Chinese automaker. Ironically, Polestar’s sister brand, also owned by Geely, Volvo, was granted the authorization in May.

What's the Connected Vehicle Rule? From the Bureau of Industry and Security (is that a thing?):

On January 14, 2025, the U.S. Department of Commerce’s Bureau of Industry and Security (BIS) issued a rule restricting the import and sale of certain connected vehicles and related hardware/software linked to China or Russia. BIS determined these transactions pose national security risks, as companies from these countries may be compelled to share data or allow remote access to connected vehicles in the United States.

So, the reported ban seems capricious, but I wouldn't mind one solution: stop making cars connected. The key fob uses its local protocol for lock/unlock and remote start, my phone uses bluetooth for charge controls and status, and there's a scren that uses Android Auto. Car companies stop trying to write UX and network stacks.

[-] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 2 weeks ago

Yea but then they couldn't harvest and sell your data

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[-] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 32 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Arbitrary actions are arbitrary.

I'm not terrified by that, just disgusted.

My guess is that the ulterior motive is to protect Tesla. Their competitors almost all offer better quality, and increasingly there are entrants to the market that produce those higher-quality vehicles at far lower cost. Musk seems unable or unwilling to take corrective actions, instead trying to buy the regulators.

[-] bedwyr@piefed.ca 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It's not arbitrary, as your second paragraph suggests there are other reasons. Someone didn't pay off the administration. It really is like that.

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[-] tidderuuf@lemmy.world 31 points 2 weeks ago

Why in the fuck can't I purchase a non connected vehicle?

[-] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 7 points 2 weeks ago

Oh, but you can build yourself one.

/s

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

You can…until they come for the kits and older cars. It’s also expensive and takes a while, too.

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[-] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

Me looking at my 2023 Polestar 2 LRDM:

"It's ok. They can't hurt you. You parked next to a 240i and you felt superior remember?"

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[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

Start selling Volvo's newest model... The Volvo Polestar

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[-] roguetrick@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

So the thesis of this piece is the government picking winners and losers in the auto industry through opaque mechanisms should terrify you because you should believe in total free market capitalism.

There's plenty I don't agree with regarding this administration's trade or industrial policy. This reasoning though, ain't it. It ain't even new with this administration. I'm not getting the vapors over corrupt auto industry protectionism. And I'm certainly not concerned about whatever lib shit this guy is wound up about.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It's because it's not transparent and seems arbitrary, this isn't mentioned but these are the perfect conditions for corruption or simple stupidity.

[-] roguetrick@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

not transparent and seems arbitrary

Opaque regulatory inertia favoring established players could be the story of the American auto industry for the last century.

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[-] Monument@piefed.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

this isn't mentioned but these are the perfect conditions for corruption or simple stupidity

At this point, I think it’s safe to assume corruption and stupidity are the default, much to everyone’s chagrin.

[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

They are the default, that's why public services need transparency.
That's not unique for USA, USA is just bad at doing these things right.

[-] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 weeks ago

So the thesis of this piece is the government picking winners and losers in the auto industry through opaque mechanisms should terrify you because you should believe in total free market capitalism.

Those are not the only choices. For example, a rules-based and facts-based system of regulation is another possibility. But the current system's rule appears to be that the spoils go to whoever got a slice of Trump's goldfish-like attention, or wrote him a fat enough check.

And you might well get the vapors the next time one of the US automakers receives a massive government bailout because their having been protected from competition left them unable to compete in the global market, or possibly even in the time before that when US consumers are being forced to buy sub-mediocre products in order to fatten the bonuses of non-performing parasitic executives.

And it's good to remember that free markets are a myth, and that real capitalists love anything that shelters them from having to compete, even if it's protectionism.

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