It is a bigger, don't have the Steam Controller dongle integrated, and you need to manually install SteamOS on it.

But you get a machine that can be upgraded way more easily than the Steam Machine, and a better GPU from the start.

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[–] 139 points 2 months ago (28 children)

Looks inside...

  • dogshit PSU
  • dogshit mobo
  • dogshit case with airflow as bad as a cardboard box, light years away from the SM
  • it's the 9060 XT 8GB version, same vram as the steam machine

If I bothered to look at other specs like pcie lanes, usb versions, repairability, noise, I bet my arse I'd be disappointed.

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    [–] 53 points 2 months ago* (22 children)
    • Does it also come with HDMI CEC?

    • Does it come with good basically lifetime support?

    • Would it get developers optimise for that exact hardware?

    • Would it run as quit and efficient?

    I'd you just going for raw hardware speed. And don't care about anything else. You can always make a faster system yourself.

    But I know enough people who don't dare to touch anything near a custom computer, who are looking into this cube

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  • [–] 31 points 2 months ago

    The tear-down GamersNexus did of the Steam cube showed that a lot of very good engineering has gone into designing it so that not only does it run smoothly and without overheating despite its compact shape, it is also relatively easy to access all components and repairability is high.

    Just a shame they had to settle for subpar components on account of the AI cartel.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    It also probably does not come with the Steam pug preinstalled on the board, so you have a pug constantly plugged in into a USB. From the listing it looks like one has to install SteamOS themselves? It says "tutorial included on this page". However it might be more powerful. In the end, this is better than a do it yourself option, if you try to do the exact same thing I guess. The biggest win for the end user is, that this is readily available without waiting until next year.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    How do Steam machine users charge their Steam Controller then? Just with a USB-C cable? I prefer my external pug to that. The Steam Controller would be kind of a silly product if you wouldn‘t get a good experience without a Steam Machine so this argument is kind of silly too if you ask me. Would be cool if the controller came with a proper stand, though. You shouldn‘t expect your customers to own a 3D printer even though I totally support Valve embracing it but the controller really feels incomplete without it.

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    [–] 35 points 2 months ago* (14 children)

    The steam machine is within the margins of prebuilt costs. Its a bad deal because building a PC right now is just a bad deal. Matching the form factor is the biggest cost destroyer. If you want a small efficient gaming PC you dont get much better than the steam machine but if you've got enough space for a big 9060 XT then you arent competing vs the steam machine. Granted this is amazing advertising and got to hand it to them. But steam machine isnt 1039 euro is it wouldnt it be more like 900 euro.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (11 children)

    Thats cooked, thats the same as USD

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  • [–] [S] 16 points 2 months ago (10 children)

    You have to take into account the price is always shown with VAT included in the EU, not in the US.

    The price without VAT in France would be €865,83.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    I have a 15% vat in my country so I guess im just not used to the US not having a vat. Stupid US stop excluding tax from your prices its insanity

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    [–] 26 points 2 months ago* (3 children)

    I'm aware that you can build and even buy a better machine for cheaper. This has always been the case, even now to a degree. Probably why I'm on my third self-built system, but I digress.

    That said, if you already have an Xbox or Playstation, then the Steam Machine works right out of the box. You plug it in to your TV and you have a controller.

    Compared to this where you will need, at least, a mouse and keyboard. Then potentially monitors and speakers or a headset, whatever you want to do.

    I'm still trying to convince my console-only friends to get a Steam Machine because, to me at least, it is the simplest way to get them to play PC games with me which has been my goal forever.

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    [–] 24 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Cool, that looks like a beefy system for that price, glad to see options, but:

    • It doesn't list sizes, mini ITX is usually significantly larger than the Steam Machine.
    • Are they shipping it with SteamOS and will they support it? The page seems to imply it's coming bare and pointing you to a tutorial on how to install it yourself and marking that as a positive.
    • Will it have CEC? I see no mention of it anywhere.
    • Will it support low power standby and fast resume? Especially during games? I know that's mostly a software thing, but are they making sure it's supported here?
    • Can it be woken from that state with a controller?
    • Does it have an internal steam controller antenna?
    • Or a wifi one?
    • Or a Bluetooth one?

    Looks like a good build considering current pricing, but realistically it's missing a bunch of the core features of the Steam Machine that seems to fly over people's heads

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Tech people love to forget the average level of tech literacy in the world.

    Every time Nintendo and Switch comes up on Lemmy you see the flood of haters who cant wrap their heads around the idea that parents will pay extra for their kids shit to "just work" and overpay for AAA Nintendo titles that are complete and have no microtransactions.

    The steam machine is for people who remember pc gaming fondly but cant be bothered building a rig or dealing with specs on prebuilts.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 months ago (15 children)

    and they will support it for the lifetime of the machine, i assume?

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (10 children)

    What kind of support do you want?

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  • [–] 53 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    For instance my 11 year old Steam Link box, discontinued in 2018, got a firmware update 17 hours ago by Valve.

    That kind of support.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    It's fucking Linux, which still supports CPUs that are more than 20 years old. You don't need to rely on any company to provide you "support".

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Given Valve have been the ones keeping older AMD GPUs working and up to date on Linux, pushing upstream etc, I’d argue we kind of do rely on a company to provide support.

    I’d rather spend my money on something I have stronger confidence will have developers maintaining and committing patches etc for all the components in the box than a box of components I can’t be sure will all have the same level of support across all its components into the years to come.

    Take x86-64-v1/v2 (and even v3 in some cases) CPUs for example. They’re “supported” on Linux but many distros’ packages don’t support it, meaning you’re often compiling from source to get a package functioning. Sure the kernel isn’t the issue but the rest of userspace is.

    With Valve seemingly having no intention of ending maintenance support for their hardware even after end of sale, and their huge contributions to Arch and other parts of the Linux ecosystem, it’s nice to have an option to buy a complete system that will be maintained, and remain a target/reference platform for their distro (which means binaries will be around should I want to distro hop).

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    Have you even looked at the linked patchnotes? I don't think that "Added support for GameCube controller rumble when the adapter is in PC mode" is something linus torvalds fixed personally in the linux kernel lmao.

    And, for the sake of the argument, let's say all of those improvements are upstream linux kernel improvements. Then valve still has to pull them, build a new build and push it, something that no major company can be assed to do. And that effort is still commendable.

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    [–] 20 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    This post and op replies just seem like a thinly veiled ad…

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    [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    Excellent option

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    That's a pretty good deal. It won't be as power efficient as the Steam Machine but at least it's powerful enough to play modern games.

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