These creams have some chemical that blocks the UV with some capacity, say a factor of 50. Why can't I apply two layers of this cream to now get a 100 factor equivalent protection?

I asked the chemist at the store and they said it's not how it works and that the highest protection factor they have is 75 (which was super expensive).

What gives?

Edit: Thank you for those super informative answers.

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[–] 69 points 3 months ago (20 children)

SPF rating is subjective at best and not a regulated term in many countries.

Australia is a place where it is a regulated term and a test by Choice showed that 16 of 20 products failed their rating and several have since been recalled.
https://www.choice.com.au/health-and-body/beauty-and-personal-care/skin-care-and-cosmetics/articles/sunscreen-test

Back to your original question which is answered in the article

In percentage figures that means the difference between, say, an SPF 50 sunscreen and an SPF 30 sunscreen is less impactful than you might assume. An SPF of 50 protects you from all but 1/50th of UV rays (98%), while sunscreen with an SPF of 30 protects you from all but 1/30th of UV rays (96.7%).

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  • [–] [S] 27 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    No way! So like I'd be be paying exponentially more for an additional 0.6% if I brought the SPF75!

    Damn.

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  • [–] 72 points 3 months ago

    Yeah but any power gamer loves this math because that 0.6% is still a nearly 30 percent damage reduction compared to the lower grade sun armor so you'll be stomping those pubs that don't persue it.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Does higher SPF cost more where you live? I just bought both 50 and 100 and they were the same price

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I looked up sunscreen recommendations on Consumer Reports and virtually every sunscreen didn't perform as well as advertised in CR's lab tests. CR's top rated sunscreens all happen to be marketed for kids/babies oddly enough.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (8 children)

    so if u do two spf 50 layers u should get spf 2500.

    but in practice the second layer won't be as thick...

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    Depends how you apply it. I smear it on like butter.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Careful of sunscreen stains. I apply 2 thin layers under air conditioning to minimize the moisture and allow it to fully dry.

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  • [–] 26 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)

    SPF50 means that only 1⁄50 of total UV light gets to your skin. If the SPF50 factor for a narrow light wavelength was tested under a 20 μm layer of sunscreen, and you'll manage to apply a 40 μm layer, the resulting UV light would be 100%÷50÷50=0.04%, corresponding to SPF2500 for this wavelength.

    Of course, SPF is not measured for one particular wavelength. UV light is a spectrum of sunlight of wavelengths starting at 100 nm to 400 nm. UV radiation of shorter wavelengths contains more energy, but is easier to stop; it usually responsible for short-term damage like sunburns. For longer waves it's vice versa, they are less powerful and won't cause a burn, but are harder to stop and penetrate skin deeper and cause cancer and premature aging.

    Low-SPF sunscreens are usually achieving their index thanks to stopping easy-to-catch short waves that are most of UV exposure in pure joules, and are having a hard time stopping long-wave UV due to their chemical composition. For further reading I recommend a 2019 article “Critical Wavelength and Broad-Spectrum UV Protection”, Google it, I'm cautious to paste a link in case anti-spam bots are tightly configured here.

    SPF is overall not a very good and all-encompassing sunscreen quality indicator. I recommend looking into UVA-centered indexes: CW (over 370 is good, in EU these are marked with UVA circled mark), UVAPF or PPD (over 15 is decent, that's same system as SPF but for UVA, longer waves) or, common on asian brands, PA++… index (UVAPF=2^x, where x is the amount of “+” symbols after PA).

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    “Critical Wavelength and Broad-Spectrum UV Protection”

    Tell them to add a : so I can trust it.

    Like “ “Critical Wavelength and Broad-Spectrum UV Protection: the effect of antidisestablishmentarianism on broad spectrum species “.

    Now that sound sciency

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  • [–] 21 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

    If you've ever used a UV camera it's pretty clear that much like lotion not absorbing after a certain point, there's a limit to how dark your skin gets with a given sunscreen. Also that there's a massive difference between brands and formulas. I had some photos I took with one but can't find them. If I do later I'll update.

    Searched but couldn't find them. Did find a conversation though where I used it to show most cars in a parking lot have UV blocking windshields but every other window is transparent unless they have tint

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    This is one of my favorite videos for showing this in effect: https://youtu.be/o9BqrSAHbTc

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    How did the Vaseline spf50 work? Thats what I use on my body since it seems the most water-resistant, but I still get pretty dark. Did you test face sunscreens?

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    I wouldn't say our tests were perfect, just smearing it on cardboard, but we did test like 10 different ones. Few things were obvious, like that the coral reef destroying ingredient ones were more effective than the more eco ones, and that banana boat kinda sucked. Neutrogena was good and even their 15 spf was just about as dark as their 30. I think coppertone was worse than banana boat but I'd wanna retest before I recommend any of them though. My memory isn't that good, I just remember relief that Neutrogena was good because it's what I've been using.

    https://a.aliexpress.com/_mq8c3YB this is the one I have, although I bought it when it was 50 bucks and a quick glance shows most over 100 now.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago

    Think of the visible spectrum of light. If you were to mix a 30% shade of white with a 30% shade of white, you get…. A 30% shade of white.

    Now just switch that coloring to the UV end of the spectrum and it’s the same thing. You’re not layering it realistically, you’re basically just mixing it together and the result is still the same “color” you started with.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Don't buy American sun screen. It's always cakey and flakey. Go import some Korean sunscreen. It's basically feels like you have nothing on and gives you better protection.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    There are plenty of great brands of American sunscreen. Just don’t buy the super cheap shit. Which is generally good advice in any country. Some brands that come to mind are Kiehl’s, First Aid Beauty, and EltaMD. To be clear, I love me some Korean skincare, and I think it’s superior to American. I just don’t agree with your premise that all American sunscreen is “cakey and flakey.”

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    The store increases the price because people will pay more for higher number. You can get spf 80 or 100 cheap elsewhere.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Light clothing, hats are SPF infinity without toxic chemicals. Zinc or titanium cremes work best.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    Light clothing

    You still need to pay attention to the weave density and thickness. That "infinity" falls somewhat if you're wearing the clothing equivalent cheesecloth.

    Source: Once got a severe sunburn on a relatively overcast day through a t-shirt that I soon learned hadn't been thick enough.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    Be aware light clothing can still transmit enough light to burn. My bullshit test is "can I look at the sun through this fabric or does it hurt?". It's a little conservative, but it's good enough for me if I plan to be out for 8 hours. I actually just got burned shirtless last week on one side. With a light, black, sports shirt the next day, I was in mild burning pain when the sun hit my burned side. It wasn't just heat, as lifted the fabric off my skin still hurt the same.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    By god I think you've cracked the thing.

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