Do not equate mountain climbing and cave diving. One is a nice hobby if done safely and the other is total madness.
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Bro, you're missing out. Bro just please squeeze into the 30 cm crevice with me bro. It's so worth it, at the end well even see rocks bro, it will be so cool.
I get disoriented going to the bathroom at night.
Mountain climbing is fun, fairly safe, and good for ya.
Rock climbing though? Yeah miss me with that shit.
The safety depends entirely on what mountain you're climbing, in what conditions, and with what gear.
True, not talking about Everest. I was just thinking of my own experiences, which usually involve a path of some sort, kept or not. I'm not trying to go where no person has gone before.
You seem like the right person to ask this question...where does "hiking up a mountain" end and "mountain climbing" begin? Is it scrabble-related? A specific incline? Mostly in your heart, maybe?
One is on foot the other involves your hands and if you're not insane rope.
I like other dude's answer, but I'll add that short of near vertical rock faces. I carry anchors, but rarely need them.
Edit to add: fuck it, who am I to gate keep‽ Hiking up a mountain is climbing one.
If you need gear, it's more than a hike.
Mountain climbing? Maybe.
Cave diving? Nope nope nope, fuck that. Fuck spelunking too if it involves more than crouching a little bit.
Whaaaaaaat? But I just wanted to invite you to the infamous "get stuck here with a friend" cave! It would be so awesome, it would be so cool if you came!
They say the previous diver's corpse decayed so The Devil's Sphincter is accessible again!
The idea of a “silt out” cave diving is absolutely terrifying to me. That you can accidentally kick up some dust and then you’ll have no idea which way is up or down, that you’ll be flailing around in the water and won’t be able to see anything is nightmarish..
If you're not suicidally stupid you'll already be holding onto the rope leading to safety with plastic arrows attached every few feet pointing to the exit so you know which way along the rope is out. Never let go of the rope! (You're usually tied to it also, but ofc you gotta unclip to switch rope or go around an anchor where the rope is attached to the rock)
The rope leads straight into a fresh pile of boulders.

What you're missing out on. (Not that I've gone myself.)
For real. I've done some cave diving. I don't regret it, because there is legit some cool shit that you couldn't otherwise see. That said, there are caves I would dive again, and some I wouldn't. You really just have to suppress the fact that you can't swim straight up to the surface.
I get vertigo when I'm high up - ain't no way I'm getting within like 2m of an exposed ledge. No sirree, the view is fine from back here thanks
I have an acquaintance that is into going cave diving in Florida. I've seen the pics and nope.
Mountain climbing and rappelling is a blast though. I'll keep my rock climbing relegated to the fun indoor stuff with a good belay.
And then you pull your back picking up something small, or break your ankle because you stepped funny.
How I sleep listening to cave diving and mountain climbing disasters, knowing I'll never do either one.
I actually sat during lunch with 2 mountaineering record holders when I did my mountaineering training with two record holders who spoke about all the fuckups they had and how one spent the night in a biouvac in a crevasse once and how terrible it was
Just what a guy doing his first mountaineering training needed to hear.. That and on the first day of training you're dumped in the middle of nowhere and told that everyone will fall in a crevasse during the training
I've done both and mostly agree with you but cave diving is something I far more suggest against than mountain climbing which can be rather enjoyable/


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