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[-] BreadOven@lemmy.world 11 points 7 hours ago

As someone who had done grad school in chemistry.....yes. You thought MO theory could explain most things but then there's reactions that (presumably) go against Woodward-Hoffman rules. Then there's other rules that go against other theories.

Maybe we just need to solve the Schrodinger equation. Haha.

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago

I would've learned chemistry a lot better if someone told me up front that the rules were just heuristics

[-] Qkall@lemmy.ml 7 points 17 hours ago

weeps in physical chemistry

That shit fucked me up....

[-] Fleur_@aussie.zone 9 points 22 hours ago

Chemistry is just the peg and hole game children play with for adults

University general chemistry introduced all these wonderful rules the universe followed and everything suddenly made sense and all was right with the world. Then organic chemistry spent class after class explaining how it was all BS and how every rule had so many exceptions that they weren't actually rules anymore, and the walks back from class were gloomy and sullen.

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 20 minutes ago* (last edited 19 minutes ago)

gen chem was so brutal, many dint pass. or had to retake it. at least not with better than a C. and thats with universities generally lowering the average for each grade so people "can attempt to pass"

[-] Gust@piefed.social 15 points 20 hours ago

If it makes you feel better, thats also true in every other field of science. All models are wrong, but some are useful

[-] iocase@lemmy.zip 21 points 1 day ago

I went through the same thing with electronics being taught the water model then you're told to throw that out because AC doesn't act like water.

I say bullshit! My instructors didn't understand AC well enough IMO

Once you understand AC well enough you realize it still applies to the water model of electrical flow. Induction is inertia, capacitance is pipe deformation from pressure.

When you slam a valve shut in an old house you make a massive pressure spike (inductive field collapse, flyback voltage spike) which oscillates within a resonant circuit when the pipes absorb that extra pressure by expanding, then releasing that spike back into inertia, which makes a smaller spike back into hoop stress until friction (resistance) saps all of the energy out of the circuit.

You can make a DC-DC boost converter by opening and closing a valve really quickly on a long pipe and feed the pressure spikes into a check valve.

[-] Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 hours ago

Aren't water flow, electrical flow, and mechanical flow all strictly analogous? As in mathematically equivalent, not just similar?

[-] iocase@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 hours ago

Yeah they are but it seems like most electrical instructors don't know that they just think "water is close enough as an analogy to electricity but breaks with AC" when in fact they're both identical. So they'll tell you to forget the water model while teaching you AC. The inertia/pipe strain comparison is very rare to hear.

[-] john_lemmy@slrpnk.net 7 points 21 hours ago

Wish I had you as a teacher

[-] Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 23 points 1 day ago

Organic chemistry in a nutshell.

[-] oce@jlai.lu 12 points 1 day ago

A scientific model is valid within its limits of applicability. We will likely never be able to establish natural science models that escape this, even in physics.

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

And that's why I dropped Chemistry at the last minute my first semester

[-] HoneyMustardGas@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

My brain would short circuit. The irony of just getting something right to, then, realize it's complications.

this post was submitted on 16 Jun 2026
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