โฒ 157 โผ Zelenskyy Urges UK, France, and Germany to Build European Alternative to US Patriot System (united24media.com) submitted 3 months ago by CAVOK@lemmy.world to c/europe@feddit.org 17 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[โ] MaggiWuerze@feddit.org 35 points 3 months ago Yes please, we should not buy anything from the american MIC permalink fedilink source
[โ] Olap@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago (3 children) Long overdue. I'd make it a railgun permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [โ] plyth@feddit.org 4 points 3 months ago (2 children) Is this sarcasm? What gives you the hope that it could work? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] Rednax@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago* Japan has been succesfully testing railguns for naval use. Not as big or fancy as the projects the US focused on. But limited in scope, and aimed at practical use. They seem to have solved the barrel degrading issues well enough to make the guns viable. That said. I think it is still too far out to focus on right now. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] nosuchanon@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) A lot of the missile defense systems are interceptors, which is basically destruction by impact. Honestly, direct energy weapons would also be better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] remon@ani.social 2 points 2 months ago Honestly, direct energy weapons would also be better. Nice as a close-in weapon, but entirely useless for high-altitude interceptions. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] IanM42@piefed.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) Good for big stuff but we also need something for the swarm. Something fast firing or our own swarms. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] ceiphas@feddit.org 1 point 2 months ago Flak-cannons exist permalink fedilink source parent [โ] Insekticus@aussie.zone 1 point 2 months ago I hear Japan's are top of the line these days. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] plyth@feddit.org 4 points 3 months ago (2 children) Is this sarcasm? What gives you the hope that it could work? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] Rednax@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago* Japan has been succesfully testing railguns for naval use. Not as big or fancy as the projects the US focused on. But limited in scope, and aimed at practical use. They seem to have solved the barrel degrading issues well enough to make the guns viable. That said. I think it is still too far out to focus on right now. permalink fedilink source parent [โ] nosuchanon@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) A lot of the missile defense systems are interceptors, which is basically destruction by impact. Honestly, direct energy weapons would also be better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] remon@ani.social 2 points 2 months ago Honestly, direct energy weapons would also be better. Nice as a close-in weapon, but entirely useless for high-altitude interceptions. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Rednax@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago* Japan has been succesfully testing railguns for naval use. Not as big or fancy as the projects the US focused on. But limited in scope, and aimed at practical use. They seem to have solved the barrel degrading issues well enough to make the guns viable. That said. I think it is still too far out to focus on right now. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] nosuchanon@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) A lot of the missile defense systems are interceptors, which is basically destruction by impact. Honestly, direct energy weapons would also be better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] remon@ani.social 2 points 2 months ago Honestly, direct energy weapons would also be better. Nice as a close-in weapon, but entirely useless for high-altitude interceptions. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] remon@ani.social 2 points 2 months ago Honestly, direct energy weapons would also be better. Nice as a close-in weapon, but entirely useless for high-altitude interceptions. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] IanM42@piefed.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 child) Good for big stuff but we also need something for the swarm. Something fast firing or our own swarms. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] ceiphas@feddit.org 1 point 2 months ago Flak-cannons exist permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Insekticus@aussie.zone 1 point 2 months ago I hear Japan's are top of the line these days. permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] RidderSport@feddit.org 17 points 3 months ago (1 child) Good thing, that Germany and France have such a good track record with cooperating on weapons development permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] encelado748@feddit.org 5 points 2 months ago (1 child) You just need to add the italians to the mix. Then it will work with France, Germany and UK. But if you put together France, Germany and UK without Italy nothing will be done. It is actually strange that this is a thing. FCAS, MGCS, MAWS all failed. Tornado, Eurofighter, Meteor, FREMM all good enough. And even when things do not workout for the best between french (SAMP/T) and germans (IRIS-T) they both worked with ok italy. If they do not pull out because they are out of money they will make things go: they cannot afford otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] RidderSport@feddit.org 1 point 2 months ago Italy probably supplies foods and drinks to the meetings that's why they work. FREMM however was without German or British involvement permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] encelado748@feddit.org 5 points 2 months ago (1 child) You just need to add the italians to the mix. Then it will work with France, Germany and UK. But if you put together France, Germany and UK without Italy nothing will be done. It is actually strange that this is a thing. FCAS, MGCS, MAWS all failed. Tornado, Eurofighter, Meteor, FREMM all good enough. And even when things do not workout for the best between french (SAMP/T) and germans (IRIS-T) they both worked with ok italy. If they do not pull out because they are out of money they will make things go: they cannot afford otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] RidderSport@feddit.org 1 point 2 months ago Italy probably supplies foods and drinks to the meetings that's why they work. FREMM however was without German or British involvement permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] RidderSport@feddit.org 1 point 2 months ago Italy probably supplies foods and drinks to the meetings that's why they work. FREMM however was without German or British involvement permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 8 points 2 months ago (1 child) SAMP/T, IRIS-T: Am I a joke to you? permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] CAVOK@lemmy.world [S] 7 points 2 months ago (1 child) Not jokes, but also not quite the long range interceptors that the Patriots are. We'll get get there I'm sure, but we're not there yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 3 points 2 months ago I'm not a military specialist, but according to Ukraine, SAMP/T outperforms Patriot against Kinzhals. What I mean to say is that the range is likely only one among many properties that determine the real-world effectiveness permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] CAVOK@lemmy.world [S] 7 points 2 months ago (1 child) Not jokes, but also not quite the long range interceptors that the Patriots are. We'll get get there I'm sure, but we're not there yet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 3 points 2 months ago I'm not a military specialist, but according to Ukraine, SAMP/T outperforms Patriot against Kinzhals. What I mean to say is that the range is likely only one among many properties that determine the real-world effectiveness permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 3 points 2 months ago I'm not a military specialist, but according to Ukraine, SAMP/T outperforms Patriot against Kinzhals. What I mean to say is that the range is likely only one among many properties that determine the real-world effectiveness permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] mineralfellow@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago Who is this Zelensky guy, and why is he holding so many cards? permalink fedilink source
[โ] istdaslol@feddit.org 5 points 3 months ago shouldnt take that much to upgrade iris-t ? permalink fedilink source
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