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[–] 114 points 4 months ago* (46 children)

Stupid law

Money can be changed into something that isn't money, yet functionally works the same for a single transaction, very easily

Especially if you're already committing crimes

This is as effective as DRM; it hurts law abiding citizens more than those breaking the law

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  • [–] 26 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    No that's not stupid. It adds a layer of friction for criminals. In Italy where this law already applies for 5000€ (before it was 2000) it helps reduce black market.

    Source: I used to be paid in cash (illegally) and it was a pain in the ass to do anything so now I get paid lawfully and my boss pays taxes

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago

    No that’s not stupid. It adds a layer of friction for criminals.

    True criminals do not care. Mafia do not write invoices to sell/buy drugs or to pay a killer.

    Source: I used to be paid in cash (illegally) and it was a pain in the ass to do anything so now I get paid lawfully and my boss pays taxes

    Then the problem was not that your boss was paying you in cash but that he had the possibility to pay you under the table without (basically) any kind of risk.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago

    Money can be changed into something that isn't money, yet functionally works the same for a single transaction, very easily

    Shops usually don't accept "something that isn't money" as payment.

    This measure aims to make it harder for criminals to wash their illicit money using legit businesses.

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    [–] 47 points 4 months ago (33 children)

    I don't know how I feel about this. Generally though I think I'm against it even if rich people do abuse whatever. What am I saying I'm definitely against this. They chose to use money, they chose to allow things to cost a lot more than 10,000 pounds but we can't pay with more than 10,000 pounds? Why? So we go through their Banks and bullshit. It's about control I presume.

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  • [–] 38 points 4 months ago (23 children)

    Under the new rules, businesses and professionals selling goods or services will no longer be allowed to accept or make cash payments of €10,000 or more.

    This doesn't apply to private transactions, by the way.
    Off the top of my head, I can't think of a single example of a legitimate legal business that would be done using cash in that amount.
    So while there's definitely a danger of the rules being tightened over time, this specific change here doesn't raise my concern too much.
    What bothers me more is the utter lack of any effective measure against the true problem in tax fraud – those who do it at a truly large scale still get away without any punishment or control, and in fact sit at the table when the tax laws are written.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago* (8 children)

    Nobody wants to see oligarchs getting away with cheating tax laws by handing over briefcases of cash, but if this new law does not affect private transactions that wouldn't even affect this.

    I wonder what supposed ill this is supposed to cure do we know of any examples of businesses that have cheated taxes or whatever else by paying in cash?

    I have known of more than one person that has paid for a house in cash and it was a smart move for them, by the time you get done with the mortgage you might end up paying 4 times more.

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    [–] 36 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    In the US the cops just steal it. Then in order to get it back, you have to go to court and prove that your money didn't commit a crime. Yes, really.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_forfeiture_in_the_United_States

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    [–] 28 points 4 months ago

    Another step towards eliminating anonymous payments and removing citizens' ability to exist without being constantly tracked by the state.

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  • [–] 24 points 4 months ago

    Inflation will do the rest.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (19 children)

    I never met anyone who paid €10,000 in cash. Like, how is someone able to carry all that much? In a suitcase? You'd also be a walking target for robbery if someone knows you are carrying a suitcase with €10,000 in cash. That amount is life changing for most ordinary Europeans. €10,000 is not going to make someone rich, but it's going towards savings for someone financially wise enough.

    Edit: people are talking about it's possible to carry €10,000 cash by saying they have €100 notes. But I thought they are out circulation precisely because of money laundering and criminal transactions?

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    Quite a few years ago I was in 'job learning' course from school in a local bank. They needed to move money to another bank across the street and there was some system update or interruption or whatever going on so it had to be done in cash. I don't remember the exact sum, but it was something like 300k€. The lady who was assigned as my director took money (and counted it, made necessary paperwork and all the jazz) from the vault and put it in her purse in a bag meant for money transfers. It was roughly a book sized stack of bills which we then walked the short distance and the receiving bank made necessary paperwork on their side. I was there only because their insurance required there's two persons doing the delivery.

    Also "a few" years ago I bought a car and the older gentleman who was selling insisted that I pay in cash. 7000€ can easily fit in your wallet.

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  • [–] 19 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    As if rich scum haven't been paying each other with "gifts" that were awfully money-shaped already. This fixes nothing.

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    [–] 14 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    Good. In Italy we have a 5,000 limit and it indeed prevents some illegal payments.

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    [–] 14 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Another step towards the digital EU, where the banks can track all of your movements and the government can deny any purchases they don’t like.

    Get fucked.

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    [–] 14 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    how is this supposed to be enforced?

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    [–] 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    How the hell am I supposed to get my drug deals done now?

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    [–] 6 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Hold up, does this effect the ability to purchase outright cars and homes? The article doesn't go into detail about what is considered "goods and services".

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