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Hey r/Apple!

aaronp613 here. I've been a moderator here for close to 5 years, but some of you might recognize my name from the Apple Event threads posted here over the past few years.

As of yesterday, I have joined MacRumors as a contributing researcher which leaves me in a bit of a pickle as to what I should do as far as my moderator status on this subreddit.

I'll admit, ever since the API changes and strike, I have not really moderated this subreddit (or really any subreddit) that much, but as mentioned above, I still handle the Apple Event megathreads each time as I love experiencing the Apple Events with all of you.


So now the question is, what do I do?

Obviously, I should not be handling any day to day moderation going forward as I beleive that every news blog that follows our guidelines should have an equal and fair chance of being posted on our forum without the appearance of any potential bias from the moderation team.

When I brought this up to some of the other r/apple moderators, 2 possible solutions we thought of were these:

Option 1: Only continue posting Apple event threads and moderate the comments on those threads (leaving the news posting to another moderator).

Option 2: Option 1 but I also continue to post news links during the event for each topic. Accusations of bias can be avoided as we always post whichever news blog posts first, so the timestamps would speak for themselves.

So I want to hear your thoughts on the matter, because at the end of the day we are a community.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Most people here or any subreddit don’t care who the moderators are. 99.9% won’t notice you ever left.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Option 3: No MacRumor, 9to5apple, and other spam blogs. No conflict of interests and the forum will have higher SNR.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Terrible place you're headed to. Have 2nd thoughts.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Congratulations on the new job at MacRumors. 👏

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Lmao - admits they don't do any moderating because but wont give up the power.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Leave. Change your username. Become the newest moderator. We'll never know.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

If you go through with option 2, I think that would be fine. Like you said, timestamps would speak for themselves.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Congrats on the job. I can’t say it bothers me if you just carry on as you want to

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I feel like there's a third option that it seems like the mod team isn't discussing: leave the moderating to the other mods.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Option 3: Remove your moderator status.

What else would need to be done? That's literally the most obvious answer when COI is involved. Stop being involved with one of the parties.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Moderating is honestly a selfless and thankless job. I say leave moderating and let me explain why. You have a really cool and unique job now. Give that your attention, not this place. Go pick up a cool ass hobby, or spend more time with your family. We all spend too much time on our phones anyways! Congrats on the job! Well earned!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

People telling you to quit are taking this too seriously. It's a subreddit, and you're going to be working for a blog/news site. It's not like you're taking a job with Apple and could be removing posts critical of Apple. Option 2 is fine. Congratulations on the new job.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Obviously you should step down as a mod of r/apple. Working for MacRumors disqualifies you for this position.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

How hard is it to understand this lol

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Congratulations. You absolutely need to leave as a moderator.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Thanks for being open and honest. I will respect you by bringing the same with you.

Step down as a mod. That’s it. That simple. Anything less gives off conflict of interest vibes no matter how transparent you attempt to be.

Congratulations on your new position. Now do the right thing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

There’s nothing wrong with running this subreddit and being at MacRumors. Unless you decided to only allow Macrumor content. That would probably kill the subreddit.

Otherwise, if you were working for Apple, they might have a bone to pick with you.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I appreciate the willingness to step back. I think a simple asterisk when posting would be enough for me. Kinda like when you read a news article sharing a related sponsor. I’m good with you doing whatever you want!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I doubt anyone cares tbh.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Not sure why stepping down isn't an option because it's the only good one here imo.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Congratulations on the new station. I hope you enjoy the change in scenery.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Do whatever you want. The fact that you are being transparent and asking guidance suggests you would do the right thing as a moderator. If we don't like it (heck, even if we do), we'll just complain about the moderators.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

IMO, do as much or as little as you want with regards to moderating. I know personally I'd get the heck out asap, so as not to say/do anything that could jeopardize the new gig. But that's me.

In the moment, I really want you to stay in any capacity, just to spite that other guy in this thread.

You don't need to respond to that last part.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Option 3: Give up your position as a mod. There’s a clear conflict of interest and you don’t seem to want to be too involved anyway.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I'm going to defer expressing an opinion about your role as a mod, but I just wanted to say congratulations and you definitely earned it!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Don't post nor moderate MacRumors posts. Comments are safe to moderate for the usual rule breaking. It's that simple.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Personally, I don’t care if you’re a mod, special mod, or not a mod. And not in a negative way. I see why this is a potential conflict or interest, but it wouldn’t affect the community because macrumor articles get posted all the time.

The exception is if (1) you get paid to promote macrumor articles; (2) new policy where only macrumor articles are allowed; or (3) there is a strange upward trend of macrumor articles being posted (unlike before).

Macrumor articles are always posted here. I find out about macrumor articles from here versus the actual website. So it isn’t strange or a conflict.

I appreciate the transparency, but it’s a non issue. Keep being a mod if you want to be a mod, leave if you want to leave. As long as you continue to be a mod in good faith (assuming that’s what you want), I’m chill.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Option 2 is fine. You really don‘t need to give up your work around events. You seem to enjoy these duties and you‘re obviously doing good work for this community. I really don’t see the problem. As you said, the timestamps will speak for themselves.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Out you go…

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

MacRumors... Is that a McDonald's menu update site?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

The sub has plenty of mods. No reason for you to remain one.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I don’t care one bit about the “bias” or conflict of interest or whatever. I come to this sub for Apple news and updates, and I do not care what website the news comes from or who posted it first. If you’d like to continue doing your mod work here I would be fine with it.

Congrats on the new gig!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You admit you don’t moderate anyway, just stop being a mod.

From your replies it’s obvious that you’ve ruled out stepping down as mod already before posting this, so this post just comes across as a way to make you feel better about a decision you already made and an attempt to legitimize it under a faux veil of transparency with the community.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I'll admit, ever since the API changes and strike, I have not really moderated this subreddit (or really any subreddit) that much, but as mentioned above, I still handle the Apple Event megathreads each time as I love experiencing the Apple Events with all of you.

So you were doing little mod work overall, someone else can create a megathread those 2/3 times a week and you can still interact "with all of us" like you love so much.

I don't care at all who is a mod or isn't.

Option 3: You were already not doing much with your mod position during most of the year. The obvious choice is right there, leave the mod team and let others pick up the slack on the events (which is a time a lot of people is probably interested, so likely other mods are available as well), or get a new mod that would actually do more than just show up 2 or 3 times a year.

You can still contribute and be a part of the community without being a mod.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Option 2 seems fine and congrats on the job!!!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Option 3: Give me the security camera tapes like we discussed and I'll consider letting you out of the cage.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Option 3. Stop moderating altogether.

The conflict of interest is mostly hypothetical on Reddit.

It could become very real at MacRumors.

I am not a lawyer or even very educated, nor am I your lawyer or your barely educated internet stranger.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I think if you disclose it when needed (ie if you were to post a MacRumors article) and just don't act like a heel it's a complete non-issue.

edit: and congrats on the new job!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

So many words for no reason, just leave that broke ass situation and go make money and have a purpose in life 😂

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

When we had a moderator at GoPro start working for the company they immediately stopped moderating due to the obvious conflict of interest. The Pebble subreddit got blasted for having employee mods. I think the choice is pretty obvious.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Congrats. You’ve graduated. Thanks for being open and honest. Go get paid.

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