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[–] 191 points 4 months ago (39 children)

But it's OK because Israel is a democracy. /s

It's funny how rare this argument has become, a few years ago politicians used it all the time, as if it was some kind of free pass to genocide, war crimes and discrimination.

Just remember that "But it's a democracy", is not an argument for anything. USA is also a democracy, but that does not in any way justify their attacks on Iran either, or their blockade of Cuba, or all the dozens of other things they are doing that are against international law.

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  • [–] 86 points 4 months ago (19 children)

    USA is also a democracy

    Is it though?

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  • [–] 63 points 4 months ago (11 children)

    It’s a plutocracy disguised as a democracy

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (8 children)

    It requires a broad definition of democracy to consider either of those democracies. The V-Dem Institute puts both in the second tier of "electoral democracy" behind the "true" democracies, termed "liberal democracy."

    From Wikipedia, the electoral democracies are those that:

    Regimes that possess the bare minimum to be considered a democracy. They are "de-facto accountable to citizens through periodic elections", but are not liberal democracies and lack further entrenched individual and minority rights beyond the electoral sphere. Basic electoral democracies may not possess a fully developed rule of law, legislative and judicial oversight of the executive branch, protections against the "tyranny of the majority", and only minimal fulfillment of Robert Dahl's institutional prerequisites for democracy.[13]

    Both countries are also considered to be backsliding toward autocracy.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago

    The US is manifestly not a democracy. When was the last time the working class, you know the group that makes up 90% of the population, actually held political power? No, all of the power is held by capitalists, who use it to enforce their system of authoritarian exploitation.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago

    But it’s OK because Israel is a democracy.

    Exactly Citizen! Good to see that the Raytheon CorrectThink ^(TM)^ rays have been beneficial! Looks like we don't need to increase the beam strength after all.

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    [–] 85 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Israel is a terrorist state.

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  • [–] 67 points 4 months ago* (9 children)

    Every day, Israel is proving more and more what a colossal fuck up it was to allow the creation of a Jewish state in the middle of a muslim area. Those who thought it was a great idea were fucking morons. The concept of a religiously run state never works, is always corrupt and tramples on freedom and basic human rights. Every damn time. Jews can live anywhere. Live somewhere else in peace. Fuck Israel and fuck people who support them.

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  • [–] 43 points 4 months ago*

    Jewish state in the middle of a muslim area

    The problem isn't really the muslims here, nor the jewish supremacy. If you kick 700,000 people of any religion, creed, race, whatever off of the land they've lived on for centuries so you can start living there, you're going to have a problem.

    Jews can live anywhere

    In the context where zionism was conceived (late 19th century Europe), this is false. Actual antisemitism was rampant in all of Europe. They were being lynched in the streets, and discriminated against on levels that are unimaginable today. And it was completely normal too! It is impossible to overstate what an awful place Europe was for the jews. And this is before the holocaust!

    There were some brave jews who organized and armed themselves and fought back, with the motto "here, where I live, is my country". This was the bund, and they were like the jewish version of the black panthers before the black panthers were ever a thing. Organized schools and mutual aid and all that, too. Truly heroic people.

    The other solution is to run away, to colonize some other place (maybe Uganda, maybe Argentina, maybe Palestine) and become the master race there. This is zionism. You know which solution the antisemitic western governments preferred. And it makes sense, right? Imagine you hate jews, imagine you're an actual antisemite, and a member of british parliament. And now the jews come to you to say, "hey we'll just move to another country, get out of your hair". That's cause for celebration! Not only are you getting rid of the jews, but they're volunteering to leave! And that's how you get the Balfour declaration.

    Anyway fuck pissrael.

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  • [–] 43 points 4 months ago*

    creation of a Jewish state in the middle of a muslim area.

    That is not the issue with Israel. Jews lived peacefully among Muslims and Christians in Palestine, the problems started when they started immigrating from Europe to displace indigenous Palestinians on the bases of religious superiority and exclusivity.

    The problem with Israel is not that they wanted to create a Jewish only state (that's a different issue), it's that they wanted to colonize and ethnically cleanse Palestine to do it.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago

    It's almost like that was the whole point of the operation. To quote the first British governor of Jerusalem, Sir Ronald Storrs, the plan was to create "a little loyal Jewish Ulster in a sea of potentially hostile Arabism".

    It was always colonialism.

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    [–] 59 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    So they are keeping westerners hostages too now. Terrorists.

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  • [–] 45 points 3 months ago*

    A video has come out of how some of the kidnapped people are being poorly treated, disgraceful. There's also some right wing Israeli politician acting like a cunt.

    Ridiculous that these people were plucked out of international waters. And were trying to bring aid to help people. Fuck you Israel, I hope you're made pay for this in International Courts in the future.

    Here's the story on our national news website in Ireland, and it shows some of the video.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/middle-east/2026/0520/1574249-flotilla-gaza-israel/

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  • [–] 43 points 3 months ago

    Intercepted 250 miles from the coast, in international waters. So it was illegal high seas piracy. A crime. Where is England and NATO in protecting their citizens from piracy, torture, abuse, and false imprisonment? What would these US and European governments say actually they do as a job?

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  • [–] 41 points 4 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (9 children)

    Well what can we do if the president of the USA is protecting Israel despite everything and says F international law lol actually he hates international law and looks up to dictators lol americans can protest but they need to strike for days bring the economy to a standstill and demand justice, in Europe they strike for way less

    edit: typo

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    Are you fucking kidding me? This is some 90s movie/video game villain shit.

    As far as I am concerned they need to take as many Israeli ambassadors hostage and keep them that way until they release that woman.

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