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[-] dhork@lemmy.world 177 points 2 weeks ago

How many AI datacenters will it take to boil the ocean?

[-] otter@lemmy.ca 96 points 2 weeks ago

It would probably take more energy than we can harvest on earth, considering the sunlight and geothermal energy doesn't boil it currently.

I could see it affecting the temperature on local scales, such as the area immediately around the data center.

[-] SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz 42 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

There are a number of 6-8GWe nuclear plants that dump 15+GW into the nearby sea (or in the case of Bruce, into Lake Huron). I don't see it being much of an issue. Better than virtually any other cooling option.

The issues are maintenance, energy source, and equipment supply.

[-] BevsDad@lemmy.ca 20 points 2 weeks ago

The plants on the lakes so monitor the water temp so they don't affect the ecosystem during the warmer seasons still.

But I doubt the one in NB had to worry about that when more water flows by it than all the rivers in the world combined.

But yes, much better source of cooling at the cost of maintenance and equipment. Just like tidal power but with fewer moving parts.

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[-] melfie@lemmy.zip 12 points 2 weeks ago

Good point, although on the local scale you mention, wildlife could still be impacted. Hopefully, the overall impact on the ecosystem will be monitored and studied before expanding these data centers more broadly.

[-] drmoose@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

I don't think people mean literally boil the ocean. Just increasing it by few Celsius degrees can be world ending.

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[-] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Well, if the energy comes from solar on the thingy, then it's probably going to cool the ocean, could be similar with wind.

[-] mech@feddit.org 9 points 2 weeks ago

That's a good point. Maybe not cool, but it would warm the water less.
(I'm guessing solar cells reflect less energy back into space than water, since they're specifically designed not to.)

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[-] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

If it's being powered by wind, it's not adding additional energy to the environment, at all. It all comes down to conservation of energy, and no chemical changes are occurring.

Electrical energy is being generated by harvesting kinetic energy in the wind, that's essentially just moving energy, converting it from one form to another. Energy can be swapped and converted around, but in the end, it almost always ends up turning into heat or light.

That wind, one way or another was going to convert its energy into heat. Most often it does that by convection, causing water vapor in the air to change state, after condensing, the now warmer water release its heat into the ocean when it falls as rain.

Turning a wind turbine to generate electricity, to run computers, is a much more elaborate route to take, but the result is the same. The wind is moving slower, a lower energy state, but the ocean is warmer, a higher energy state. It all evens out.

Edit: I just realized, that sometimes that kinetic energy from wind contributes to storms and sometimes those storms generate lightning, and while most of the energy from lightning does turn into heat, some of that energy generates light, and some of that light shoots out into space (actually escaping the earth). So probably, higher wind speeds do result in cooling the earth a very little bit (but it's likely negligible)

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[-] mech@feddit.org 72 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)
sudo systemctl poweroff  

OH FUCK I was in an ssh session!
*Puts on scuba gear

[-] nodiratime@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago

Deep sea ~~welder~~ admin.

[-] yakko@feddit.uk 12 points 2 weeks ago

Most stressful job imaginable

[-] mech@feddit.org 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

At least you won't have to deal with end-users on site.

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[-] motruck@lemmy.zip 67 points 2 weeks ago

Let's boil the ocean everyone.

[-] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 weeks ago

This makes me wonder what is better - underwater DCs heating the oceans, or above water ones with all the pollution creating and water sucking cooling instead. Part of me thinks the underwater one might be better.

[-] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 45 points 2 weeks ago

The issue with climate change was never with "heat production". It's always been the generation of heat trapping chemicals. The sun sends a stupid amount of energy our way. Generally the earth radiates almost the same amount back out into space, with a minor amount captured by various things, like photosynthesis.

Pollution alters that equation and causes more energy from the sun to get trapped in the atmosphere. That's the problem. We could never generate as much energy as the sun (even the tiny amount that hits the earth), but we can definitely alter the atmosphere to trap more and more of that heat.

Also, the ocean is a MASSIVE heat sink. I saw someone work out the calculations recently, I don't remember the numbers, but the conclusion was that we'd never measure a notable increase in ocean temps if we housed every datacentre in existence in the ocean. The sun hitting the ocean every day dumps more energy into the ocean directly than we'd ever be able to manage.

It all comes down to pollution.

[-] brianary@lemmy.zip 12 points 2 weeks ago

If you take local temperatures of the ocean at different latitudes, they won't all be the mean temperature of the ocean. It isn't a single massive heat sink.

Data centers raise nearby temperatures by up to 4 degrees in Phoenix

[-] jmill@lemmy.zip 13 points 2 weeks ago

That's true, but water is so much more effective at absorbing heat than air, the effect will be negligible. It takes about 4.2 megajoules to raise one cubic meter of water 1 degree C. That energy would raise over 3 cubic KILOMETERS of air 1 degree C.

Even putting data centers at the bottom of large lakes would be unlikely to have an effect. It will not be percetable in the ocean. Regarding temperature anyway, other factors are worth considering.

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[-] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

I wonder how many sq km of data centers it would take to increase the temp of the ocean by 1 degree.

[-] sparkyshocks@lemmy.zip 24 points 2 weeks ago

This page says the ocean is about 352,670,000,000,000,000,000 gallons, which is about 1.3 x 10^21 liters, and each liter is a kg of water (yeah, yeah, the dissolved salt adds some mass but I don't think it adds sufficient thermal mass to make a difference). It takes 4.184 kilojoules to raise 1kg of liquid water 1°C, and 1 joule is 2.778 x 10^-4 wh.

So that's 1.55 x 10^18 watt hours, or 1,550,000 TWh.

Global electricity consumption is about 30,000 TWh per year, so if you use the entire world's electricity consumption for 51 years you'd raise the oceans' temperature by 1°C.

Or if you take global data center power capacity of about 125 GW, and ran them at full power 24/7, you'd be producing about 10.8 TWh per day or 3944 TWh per year. It'd take about 393 years of the world's data centers to raise the ocean by 1°C.

Just goes to show that much more of the energy heating up our world and our oceans is coming from the sun heating up the planet and the planet failing to radiate it out past our greenhouse blanket, not from the actual heating of our atmosphere from our own energy sources.

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[-] nosuchanon@lemmy.world 55 points 2 weeks ago

So this is how we boil the oceans? With fucking underwater AI data centers. Definitely not on my bingo card

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[-] frightful5680@lemmy.world 48 points 2 weeks ago

This is pretty impressive. If only China had a good human rights record. But then again there's only a few countries that do and none of them are superpowers.

[-] db2@lemmy.world 38 points 2 weeks ago

So there's a non-zero chance we will find out later that it's just a bathysphere full of children doing math.

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[-] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 34 points 2 weeks ago

China: "We will use the oceans water". usa: "We will use the citizens drinking water".

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

If only the US had a coastline.

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[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 33 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

What will this do to the local ocean ecosystems?

China doesn't care. The US doesn't care.

People care... But who are we? What do we matter?

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[-] Xaphanos@lemmy.world 31 points 2 weeks ago

I'd really like to know how they handle all the small-scale HW issues. As a DC tech, I'm kept quite busy with those

[-] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

There was an Intel experiment a while back where they left a bunch of racks in the parking lot. They found that the failure rate wasn't much higher than inside, and not needing a data center building saved money. Maybe this project just accepts the eventual failure of components.

[-] snooggums@piefed.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

Sure, if there is zero weather a building wouldn't be needed.

[-] rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Computers can't get wet from the rain if they're underwater in the ocean.

👉😏

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[-] frightful5680@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

Probably have diver it techs.. boy that's kind of cool

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[-] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago

Yeah, great because ocean habitat already straining from warming oceans are going to love having AI that produces nothing but hallucinations and pron heat up the waters even more.

[-] yucandu@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago

China says

China, you have lied to me too many times.

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[-] Etterra@discuss.online 22 points 2 weeks ago

Okay, who had the bright idea of boiling the ocean to make soup?

[-] Bazoogle@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

God, the insane amount of energy it would take to even remotely measure a difference in the ocean water is astronomical. You might be able to cause some small impact in a relatively small radius that could impact wildlife, but I feel like there are open enough areas that not much would be impacted in the area.

[-] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 17 points 2 weeks ago

So when do we start putting big ice cubes in the ocean?

(Really this at least makes more sense then land slop centers, still silly)

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[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 1 week ago

Great, let's boil the ocean faster.

[-] AccoSpoot1@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago
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[-] NoTagBacks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 weeks ago

I wonder how cost effective this will be in the long run considering how much they'll have to deal with corrosion. I imagine the maintenance will become pretty overwhelming in a year or two.

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[-] Karmanopoly@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Computers and electronics love salt water

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[-] jjlinux@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 weeks ago

Fish soup, coming right up.

[-] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 weeks ago

Wouldn't maintenance be a lot easier if they just placed it near the sea and pumped the water through from there? Or used a heat exchanger. All water going in is sent back out at a higher temperature.

[-] HiTekRedNek@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago

By placing the heat sinks directly into the water there's no electricity needed for a pump, and tides, weather, and heat convection will move the water around.

Having the entire facility underwater also means less exposure to the elements.

[-] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 21 points 2 weeks ago

Saltwater is one of the harshest terrestrial environments for a data center other than maybe lava. Pressure, oxygen, and sodium ions make the ocean extremely corrosive to metal structures.

You could be right about the first part, but I take issue with the second. Ships in seawater usually need sacrificial anodes so corrosion eats those instead of the hull and fasteners. I'm not sure how that would affect heat exchange, maintenance, or long-term reliability. It would definitely limit the materials you could use.

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[-] flightyhobler@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

So salt water can be used!? 🤔

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