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[–] 132 points 2 years ago* (32 children)

TL;DR: Due to being smaller and lighter, electric bikes and mopeds require significantly less energy to move themselves around than an electric car. The article starts with a headline about "oil demand" but then spends much of the rest of its length harping on consumer monetary costs instead. I could have said that in a lot fewer words. Actually, I just did.

Also, in SE Asia and other places where the primary mode of transport is a small motorbike, as it happens these small motorbikes actually pollute a lot for their displacement due to having basic uncomplicated engines, often not running very well, and lousy or absent emissions controls. ICE vehicles are also at their worst fuel consumption/distance traveled ratio when they're idling or crawling around urban areas at low speed. Replacing these with electric versions just makes sense.

Full disclosure: I own a gas guzzling truck, a fuel efficient car, seven motorcycles, and an electric bicycle. I use different tools for different jobs, as appropriate. If you're looking for a magic bullet, you will probably need it in a few different calibers.

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  • [–] 47 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    I need to kill an elephant. What should I drive?

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  • [–] 67 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    Your ancestors hunted the mammoth on foot with a rock tied to a stick. Use that.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    Yeah but they’re all dead, what does that say about their tactics?

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    Out of your seven motorcycles, which one is used for which purpose?

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  • [–] 33 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    I'll bet you weren't expecting to get an actual answer to this, but I'm going to give you one. (Spoiler: None of them are a Harley.)

    First, I do use all of my bikes for commuting (the electric bicycle often, too, when the fancy strikes me) and usually ride a different one each day. They all get better mileage than my car and certainly better than my truck.

    KLR650: Long distance touring and adventure rides, motocamping, hauling comically large objects that should not be transported by motorcycle.

    Bashan BSR-250/Enforcer: I ostensibly bought this for my nephew to ride on adventure trips with me, but I also use it for tooling around town, light duty shopping, etc.

    Honda VT750C/Shadow A.C.E.: Two up riding and touring, also good for making lots of obnoxious noise. My wife likes the passenger seat and sissy bar. Goes faster than the Vanvan, even with two people on it for long trips.

    Yamha FZ6R: Dicking around on twisty roads. Irritating Tesla/M3/AMG/Corvette owners.

    Orion/Nicot RXB250L: Playing in the dirt, at the motocross track, off road, doing wheelies, and narrow technical trails I probably shouldn't try to manhandle the KLR down.

    Honda CH50/Metropolitan: In town errands, shopping trips. It achieves ludicrous fuel economy and you can fit a lot of stuff under the seat. My wife rides this one more than I do.

    Suzuki RV200/Vanvan: Bought for my wife to learn how to ride a "real" motorcycle, i.e. with a clutch and gears. She uses it for motocamping trips.

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    [–] 86 points 2 years ago (13 children)

    This article is vastly understating the potential benefits of e-bikes. Like-for-like replacements for car trips are only the tip of the iceberg; the real benefit of e-bikes is that the more people that use them, the less car parking we need. That means we can put back all those buildings we destroyed when we razed our cities for the car.

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  • [–] 61 points 2 years ago (16 children)

    I did the math once for my own commute, on my e-bike and with my electric car, and found that while the electric car uses only 20% of the energy that an average gas-powered car would, the bike uses just 1%. My bike, on my route (both directions averaged together) got 2,200 mpge.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    Miles per gallon energy? What's that abbreviation?

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  • [–] 35 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    Just another example of how Americans will use anything but metric (we do use metric sometimes, I know, it’s just a meme). We could easily measure it in Wh/km, but then we would also have to change how we measure gasoline cars if we want people to make direct comparisons. But, since we sell gas by the gallon, we would also have to change how gas is sold. When the EPA first came up with mpge I thought it was stupid (we don’t buy electricity by the gallon!), but I’ve come around to the convenience of being able to easily compare the two types of fuel. The EPA assumes 1 gallon of gas to contain 33.7 kWh of energy.

    Maybe we should get everyone to switch to Joules for measuring, buying, and selling gasoline and electricity?

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    [–] 55 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    My only problem with ebikes is there's no chance in hell I'm consistently driving on the road with cars.

    With how convenient these are, I hope there's more push to add protected bike lanes in road heavy places to increase adoption.

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    [–] 42 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Whaaaaat? You mean electric last-mile micromobility cuts down on emissions in a significant way, just like people had been saying for years? Who would have thought?

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  • [–] 40 points 2 years ago (27 children)

    When I was younger and more invincible around 2005, I bought one of these crappy Ebay engine kits for a bicycle. One thing I noticed is that it wasn't really any slower from home to work than a car, because I could go around traffic. An E-bike would have been great. A lot of them get around on 500 watt or 750 watt motors, which is considerably smaller than an electric car's motor.

    I'd have one now, but it's hard to ride one when I have to carry a kid with me most places.

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    [–] 36 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    Goddamn I love my ebike. It’s still very much a bike, but it changes the equation. I can ride a nice big heavy comfortable cruising frame, pull my kid in a trailer bike, get up steep hills that would otherwise stop me, and go 4x as far before I’m tired. It is just a total game changer. I’ve rediscovered the joy of riding my bike like I haven’t known it since college. I’m older and creakier than ever but my bike enjoyment hasn’t diminished - it has increased.

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    [–] 27 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    First and foremost, people can afford them.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Oh really? Maybe not moving 2,5 tons of metal and battery isnt a good idea? Maybe bikes were always a better mode of transport? I have a feeling that this was pretty obvious.

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    [–] 23 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Great. All technologies that bring down CO2 emissions are needed.

    As long as people get rid of their dino juice cars, who cares.

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    [–] 23 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    Watched a YouTube about electric vs gas scooters in Taiwan 🇹🇼. Apparently it's like 6 scooters for every 10 people, crazy!

    But the uptake of electric scooters wasn't as much as they thought, but a lot of complaints were around "cost", "parking" and "weight"

    Sounds like an electric bicycle would solve all those issues over an electric scooter 🛵

    Especially for the poorer, high 2 wheel usage nations, like Vietnam or India.

    Just have to pedal a bit! 😉

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    I have heard this for years now. This all fine. I also have an E-Bike. I really love using it. But I live in central Europe. Weather is really shitty here from October-March. I use my car then. And no, clothing for biking in bad weather is not an option for me. I really can't be bothered to change clothes on my job. I just won't do that.

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    [–] 22 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    I think big cars and SUV should be banned.everyone should use a moped or a bike but 9-5s pretending to be rich will hate it.

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    [–] 17 points 2 years ago*

    Love to see this!

    On a related note: Feel free to stop by !micromobility@lemmy.world

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Ebikes need secure destination parking or they lose usefulness

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    [–] 15 points 2 years ago*

    This reads like an advertisement. Not saying it is. But it does.

    Edit: Oh, AAP (Australian Associated Press)! Then it's definitely an advertisement.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago* (32 children)

    these are feasible in cities that you wouldn't want to drive a car in anyways. probably not so good for commuting around Boise Idaho

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