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a while ago i was in an argument with an anarchist about china and they hit me with the uyghur genocide argument so i sent them the article with the CIA guy openly admitting its a fabrication and they just didnt reply so im genuinely trying to wrap my mind around it. are they just in straight up denial and ignore it when people bring it up?

OR, the more horrifying alternative, are there some who just fw with the CIA for stopping ”red fascism”?? i know some people honestly believe communists should support ukraine due to ”morals” so maybe its possible?

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[-] Pissed@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 days ago

They're not really anarchists.

[-] miz@lemmygrad.ml 47 points 1 week ago

fuzzy satellite photos of middle schools in Xinjiang are enough to convince a western chauvinist, but years of seeing Palestine get torn apart live on video is "complicated"

[-] pyromaiden@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 1 week ago

I don't think this comparison is fair or honest. Never once seen an anarchist call the Gaza Genocide anything other than what it is.

Liberals are the ones always hand-wringing about how "complicated" Palestine is.

[-] stink@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 week ago

I've seen some brainrot anarchists on twitter but I'll take it with a grain of salt because it's twitter

[-] pyromaiden@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 week ago

I mean I just got back on BlueSky a few days ago (their ban evasion methods suck apparently lmao) and deadass I just saw a guy (calls himself a demsoc, sympathetic to anarchism) confidently try to argue that Marx wasn't anti-capitalist.

Social media has a way of bringing out the most bewildering takes from the most ignorant people on planet Earth.

[-] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 43 points 1 week ago

Both. Some are just in denial, others genuinely think the US empire is the "lesser evil".

[-] LeninZedong@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 week ago

This is what not understanding imperialism (defined by Lenin) gets you: A poor understanding of vague authorities as imperialist, with the imperial core's lord (Amerika) being portrayed as the lesser evil by some.

[-] davel@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 1 week ago

People usually don’t reply when I bring receipts. That can be for several reasons, including the unlikely case where they learn that they may actually have been wrong. But I bring the receipts more for the lookie-loos than the interlocutor, anyway.

[-] Orcinus@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 1 week ago

"Two things can be bad at once." They try to tell me.

[-] gumibo@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 1 week ago

theyre right, china is bad (in a sexy kinda way)

[-] tradclasstruggle@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 1 week ago

Here's the thing, from their POV you're using a logical fallacy know as guilt by association, so even if the CIA approves them, or even more than that, it doesn't prove anything. And indeed, by itself it proves nothing, but we know the context where the CIA ends up being so sympathetic, the thing here is, anarchists above all else care about being more revolutionary (read edgy, in the good sense of the word) than anyone else, so this won't matter to them.

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 week ago

Can you send me that cia doc? Haven't seen it before

[-] opiumfree@lemmygrad.ml 40 points 1 week ago

uyghur:

https://us.china-embassy.gov.cn/eng/zt_120777/dmxj/wjbxinjiang1/xjzhenxiang/202106/t20210625_9039434.htm

” The speaker is Lawrence Wilkerson, former chief of staff to former Secretary of State Colin Powell and retired US Army Colonel. He was speaking at the Ron Paul Institute in August 2018 on the threefold purposes of the US presence in Afghanistan, one of which is to contain China. He said undisguisedly that "the third reason we were there [in Afghanistan] is because there are 20 million Uyghurs [in Xinjiang]. The CIA would want to destabilize China and that would be the best way to do it to foment unrest and to join with those Uyghurs in pushing the Han Chinese in Beijing from internal places rather than external".”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00Cvx0R8iDo

as for the CIA liking anarchists i cant find the doc this instant but i know its in the COINTELPRO

[-] davel@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 1 week ago

They dismiss links to gov.cn and the Ron Paul Institute out of hand. They censor themselves.

[-] Maeve@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 week ago

Do you have a link to the full speech, by any chance? Thanks either way.

[-] TankieReplyBot@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 week ago

I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:

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