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[–] 234 points 4 months ago (13 children)

I remember when Star Wars wasn't political. It was a time known as "the movie didn't even exist back then".

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  • [–] 81 points 4 months ago (12 children)

    At least Star Trek remains unsullied by politics

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  • [–] 50 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    Yeah. There's no need for politics anymore when you already have an intergalactic socialist utopia.

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  • [–] 175 points 4 months ago (17 children)

    Ah yes, war. My favorite apolitical pass time

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    [–] 140 points 4 months ago (17 children)

    Don't make Star Wars political... Except the rebels want to restore a democracy in the Original Trilogy...

    And in the prequels we have literal political scenes, as written and directed by Lucas himself.

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  • [–] 62 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    And the Andor series is literally a class on fascism. Things presented there are inspired by real world events. The second season in particular makes it REALLY clear. You literally have the Empire conspiring with media to produce propaganda to undermine the Ghorman people so the Empire can come in and steal the planet's resources and kill the people. Then the Empire stages a massacre and uses it as further propaganda

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    [–] 87 points 4 months ago

    Clearly it was a Star Special Military Operation, the emperor wouldn't just go around starting wars

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  • [–] 56 points 4 months ago* (4 children)

    I know bigots will be bigots but it really annoys me that they blindly think being queer is political but need proof that war is political.

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    [–] 52 points 4 months ago* (25 children)

    (as i wrote last time this was posted here)

    he followed up to simultaneously say he was joking while also doubling down 🤦

    screenshot of follow-up tweet linked below

    https://xcancel.com/theronster/status/1538239717032042497

    also... blurring his name was really not necessary; he's so proud of this that a screenshot of his reddit comment about it is still his pinned tweet four years later.

    and it's also his twitter bio now:screenshot of twitter profile
Aaron Abernethy
@theronster
the ultimate authority on Star Wars and its relationship to 20th century warfare
Belfast, Northern Ireland
about.me/aaronabernethy/
with pinned tweet from 18 June 2022 with screenshot of reddit comment (OCR'd below):
So... this is me, and apparently flat affect irony is something that a lot of people in the US can't
parse. Sorry for that.
I'm afraid, to spoil the fun, I was very aware of the allegory and was attempting some very light
irony that seemed to be missed. But, when all is said and done, I know the rules ofthe internet. I
should have put a /s or some sort of emoji to illustrate my feelings, and I should have realised
that the bad-faith brigade would assume it was a face-value response.
Im not going to delete the tweet or anything, people are enjoying themselves and who amIget
in the way ofthat.
And for a little context, Im a 44 year old who is pretty much in love with pre-1990 cinema,
especially the first wave of movie brats. Im actually NOT a huge Star Wars fan, but Im very aware
ofthe stories behind making it, since Tve heavily studied the story of American Zoetrope and the
personalities that encircled it.
And, yes, as someone pointed out, lam from Northern Ireland, and while you would think that
would give me a heightened awareness of querrilla warfare, it's mostiy NOT jungle and swamp
here, despite what the postcards would imply.
Anyway, hey everyone, Im Aaron, Im here to be dunked on by the internet - its my turn

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    [–] 43 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Star Wars: From the adventures of Luke Skywalker which came out before the first movie. Literally describes Emperor Palpatine as Richard Nixon.

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  • [–] 41 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    Star Wars is not exactly subtle or full of nuance. It's pulp, and it wears that badge with unironic, cinematic pride.

    ​It is the spiritual successor to the 1930s Saturday morning serials of bold archetypes, primary-colored morality, and breakneck pacing where the stakes are always "the fate of the galaxy" and the villains wear literal black masks. It doesn't ask you to deconstruct the socioeconomic subtext of a spice mine.

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  • [–] 39 points 4 months ago

    It also just boils down to “stop showing me how what I want is what the bad guys always want.” People on the right side of history love “political” things.

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  • [–] 39 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Wow. I had to go verify this and sure enough, I found a video from 7 years ago where Lucas said this and much more including comparing the American Empire to the Galactic Empire. Wow. I missed that reference as a child.

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    I don't know if George Lucas was meaning to tap into parallelisms with the Vietnam War with the original Star Wars movie.

    I mean, the plot follows the Campbellian "Hero with 1000 faces" storyline to a T.

    But I also acknowledge that the Vietnam War was a major event that was going on when he was writing it and filming it, so it most likely had influence at the very least, but I believe it can be argued that Lucas was not attempting to insinuate the Empire was the United States at that time.

    At the same time, though, I can see a very clear slant in the storyline that an independent society has every right to consider themselves heroes when going up against a larger, seemingly indomitable force that is doing evil while proclaiming themselves to be the good.

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  • [–] 114 points 4 months ago (13 children)

    He did intend it to be a Vietnam allegory, with the Rebels as the Viet Cong. He was explicit about it, but for obvious reasons Disney doesn't make a huge deal out of that. But you're also right that the Campbell stuff was intentional, too.

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  • [–] 34 points 4 months ago

    George Lucas literally compared the Rebel Alliance in Star Wars to the Viet Cong in an interview back in the day.

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  • [–] 29 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    /r/selfAwareWolves or whatever the lemmy thing is

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    I think some of these commenters who want to stop media being political are bots. The elites want to suppress free thinking and freedom of expression.

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  • [–] 20 points 4 months ago (3 children)
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