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Hi

I want to do bassically this πŸ‘‡πŸ‘‡

Internet <------> WiFi modem <----wireless----> old WiFi modem <------> PC

I want it to be wireless but i don't even know if it is possible.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

No bad stop it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I had this setup but instead of a second access point used a rapsberry pi. So it's possible with a pi and there's a lot of guides. I've never done I with a second access point.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

You'll have a rock solid connection to the first AP and then a shitty wireless connection to the router and then a rock solid connection to your ISP

Will it work? Yes. But you're not gonna get the latency nor speed you think you'll get on your PC.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Aruba Instant On is your friend

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Check if the modems have WDS bridging, then watch a techquickie video on how to set it up

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I did that with a TP-Link RE655 WiFi repeater which has a LAN Port. Worked surprisingly well and I could even run some servers behind that setup.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Possible, yes. As others mentioned, wired is always better, but you could use the 2nd router (assuming it has the necessary functionality/options) in wireless bridge mode to accomplish what you want.

You may also be able to use MOCA adapters instead of a wireless bridge, depending on your needs. MOCA would connect an ethernet port on each router into a nearby coax jack in your home, and then you can bridge the second router that way without needing to do the bridge wirelessly.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Mesh or wireless bridge?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Just use tenda router. Almost all tenda router support wireless repeating.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Thank you everyone for your help. I noticed there is no WISP or repeater mode in my router settings so i need to do it with wires.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

If your router is supported by a *WRT like DD-WRT you can use "Client Mode" or bridge mode and you can do what you want to do.

You only need the router connected to the computer to have *WRT.

Client Mode would create a separate LAN for the computer. Bridge Mode would bridge the LAN from the main router.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Or buy a wireless extender for your computer. My father-in-law has a Netgear one that I bought him. He uses his computer daily to work from home remotely. His PC from the router is about 8ft across the hall and 5ft to the right. Gets a good constant 300mb/s from our 500mbs plan. Also the router he's getting signal from is a secondary router, not the main/ISP Router. He's been working like that for 2 years now. Signal is great, even if doors in my room and his room are closed, or on weekends when the wifi is heavily used and he's still working, no drops. Netgear

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Or just buy a WiFi PCI card and actually install it in the PC. I guarantee you'll get better performance and have less trouble than using an extender/bridge.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Ahh yes, but I'm my Father-in-law's case, it's a company desktop, so I couldn't open the desktop and install the wireless card and install the driver without IT permissions and what not.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Have you looked into an "ethernet powerline adapter"? Basically ethernet over you electrical wiring of the building.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

No clue about the setup but wires for the win! It’ll be a much better connection …

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

What you want in this case is a WiFi point-to-point bridge.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've tried this before it's unreliable don't do it.

Either run a cable (run it outside and up the brickwork if you need too)

Or get some of those plugs that will be wired over your electric, these can be unreliable depending on a few factors but is probably the better option to a wireless bridge.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I've done this a million times and it's always worked flawlessly but it all depends on the routers you use and your house layout and materials.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I know many people on here will hate this comment, but a 6e mesh router system may work.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

considering OP has said "old router" I feel like it's a budget constraint thing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I happen to like meshes, but only if the access points have wired backhauls. And even then, for a stationary setup like a desktop, you really don't get any advantage of using a mesh; the issue that meshes were designed to solve was the seamless transfer of devices from one access point to the next. Since the desktop is not likely to be moving throughout the house, there's no clear benefit, here, for a substantially greater cost.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

A simple 5ghz connection might also work flawlessly but it all completely depends on what equipment he has and his house layout

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Hey OP I’ve done exactly this with a TP-Link Deco AXE5400. Latency is ~11ms hardwired to the main router. I run a dedicated 6ghz backhaul so when hardwired to a satellite I average ~30ms.

Eventually I’ll run CAT-6 from the main router to the satellites which should improve latency.

Hope this helps!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

honestly, wired is going to be better anyway. you're saving yourself alot of headache by going wired

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

That is possible but why? You will have too much latency with this setup .

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

This can work but its not the best for gaming (wifi 6 mesh devices are a different story) but if you log into your router it may have a setting called "mesh" or "WirelessAP" or something similar. You would need to go into it and select the wifi you want to use (your 2.4 or 5ghz) and then name the network. Now you should be able to plug your PC into the ether net slots (if there are 5 put it in one of the ones that are mostly the same color like 1 blue 4 yellow you put it in the yellow) it should work if it's a decently modern router.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I have basically this setup. I have three Linksys EA8300 APs setup using 802.11s (mesh). The main AP does routing and DHCP and is wired to my modem. All of the APs have dual 5Ghz radios so one handles the mesh, one handles my SSID.

I max out my 250 Mbps connection in my home office and the far end of our house (third AP) gives roughly 200 Mbit coverage elsewhere. It works great.

Even before this setup I had an archer c7 connecting in client mode back to my main AP rather than using a WiFi card. It gave me better bandwidth and a more stable connection. Only downside was double NAT which is why I moved to new setup

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yes it’s possible. I did it about 6 years ago. My router connected to PC didn’t support that functionality, but luckily it was compatible with DDWRT firmware. I installed DDWRT, configured it and didn’t touch ever again in 6 years.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, just don't. Mesh might work for a doorbell, but just no.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A good mesh works fine for most people if you set it up properly

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Maybe, I work in enterprise WifI and we'd never use mesh, really all because of the unknown interference. A homeowner could have a wifi TV on the other side of a referigator and get a garbage signal because of the referigator. Re-word and say "if you get lucky"..

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Well of course enterprises use a wired backhaul due to the sheer number of users and interference, but in most consumer networks and houses a well placed mesh can do wonders

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Those tplink waps can do it. I can tell by the picture the model. The setting you are looking for is the range extender, or client mode. Either will give you a wired connection from a wireless router that’s in range. The client mode is wireless to wired, the extender mode is wireless to wired plus an extra wireless signal. Usually named 2.4/5_EXT

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Find two routers that support OpenWRT and this is 100% do-able. They dont necessarily need to be the same model/brand.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

You can do this with some ubiquiti equipment. Their in-wall AP’s have ports on them for you to plug in devices, and you can wirelessly mesh them to other AP’s

This isn’t an ideal setup though. You really should wire your AP’s whenever possible.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It is possible, in fact I had quite a few years that same setup to reach my living room, it depends on the model of your router, if it allows AP mode via wifi and if it does, it is a matter of configuration and you will get that connection you need because some routers only have AP mode via cable and not via wifi.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

You can do this with triband mesh routers. Tp Link has a few good options. However, your PC will be getting the short end of the stick because the 2nd router will have substantially reduced & erratic throughput without a wired or fiber backbone connection to the primary router

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I did exactly that about 15 years with 2 Linksys routers to connect an original xbox (they had no wifi). One router was flashed with DD-WRT to support client bridge mode to allow this to work but there are probably other routers that support this natively without flashing its firmware.

I would not recommend this solution unless it's the only solution. Preferred solution will always be to be 100% wired, if it's not possible, put the device on the wifi directly.

For a PC, if you can't run a cable, why not just buy a WIFI PCI-E card or even WIFI USB dongle?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Is just saving yourself the extra router an aption since your going to be getting wireless speeds on you PC anyway?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I do this with a mesh setup and it works fine. Everything else is connected to a different wap. I used to buy WiFi dongles for my desktop but they always go bad after a couple years (even the pci WiFi cards). A quality brand mesh with Ethernet ports work better and longer than a WiFi dongle. I have even had good experience streaming steam games from the desktop to a steam deck, which was also connected to the mesh devices.

When renting you don’t always have luxury of being able to run cable. You have to get a bit more creative.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yes, this is called WDS. Not usually the fastest or most reliable but it is possible.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

2x mikrotik hap ac

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Just set old router to AP Client mode if supported, and You're good to go.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

If the wireless bridge is connected by 5ghz it could work fine(maybe). I have this setup years ago via 2.4ghz but I don't game with it,I just use it to extend wireless connection to a shed.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Thrift store and check if router can support dd-wrt. Get dd-wrt on router, setup to connect to WiFi to 5ghz if your phone is able to get 5ghz where you're at.

Configure dd-wrt router to connect to your WiFi as client bridge mode.

πŸ‘Œ was an easy $25 thrift store router find, then you'd have 3 extra ports for other devices and a repeater too if needed.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

MoCa adapter or power line adapter.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Set up the router close to the computer as a wireless bridge

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

got confused by the picture. got even more confused after reading the post.

IF i understood correctly, it seems like you want to connect your pc to the router with an ethernet cable but can't run a long cable directly. Scrap the monstrosity you were planning on doing. if you wanted to use a cable for the performance then you ain't getting that with what you were planning on doing. you might as well add a wifi card or an adapter to the pc and connect it directly to the router if the wifi signal is reachable.

A better option would be to use a powerline adapter. Keep in mind though that powerline adapters are a hit or miss depending on how good your power lines are and multiple other factors. You'll never now if they'll work unless you try it yourself. So buy one and if it turns out to be shit, return it. this is the cheapest and the most hassle free option.

Another option would be buy mesh access points. This is also a decent option but you'll probably spend more than if you bought a powerline adapter.

so basically, buy a powerline adapter. If that doesn't work, then you're only option is mesh

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Power lines aren’t shit or good, Jesus Christ…. It can be that different parts of your installation are on different phases of the power grid. Then you have to rely on the high frequency signal to propagate over the air to the other phases. This can be improved by letting an electrician install a phase coupler. Here in Germany it would be 30€ an half an hour of the electrician

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