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Reposting this from Qasim Rashid, esq. on Mastodon.

(I do know this is discoverable from Mastodon but heck consider it a boost).

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Seeing people suggesting that rescue efforts encourage more people to take the risk of crossing. Not true if you look at the data.

these results strongly suggest that...the absence of SAR operations...has little or no effect on the number of arrivals

Oxford study.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's a bit more nuanced than that, she's accused of cooperating with smugglers to stage fake rescue operations, but the suit is still ongoing and I'm not sure if it's legit or not. From what I've seen she seems to be a good person so the suit is possibly bogus.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's a bit more nuanced

That is not more nuanced those are plain facts. OP is plainly lying.

She is accused and jailed for voluntarily being a part of a smuggling operation, even when she was explicitly told not to do so by the Italian government.

Compared to completely normal rescue efforts when a boat or plane capsize, when workers are trapped in a mine, when someone is lost in the mountains, or when a bunch of nobodies are taken hostage by a criminal organisation, be it local or abroad.

Again, this is not nuance, those are commonly known facts that OP is lying about.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, it's nuanced. People smuggling worked like this... They would call her (and/or other NGO) and say "we just dropped x people in the sea at these coordinated, bye!". She would go and pick them up (she would not make any money out of this).

What the xenophobic party that was (and kinda is) in power wanted is to her ignore the heads up and let people die in the sea. Because all that party promised to his (debatable) electors is more death in the sea (to scare the other migrants).

Also all this is polical because the vast majority of illegal immigration is through Balkans anyway

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

Ah and I'm sure you have a source for these "facts" and I'm sure they will stand up in court. It's not like the Italian government would just bring unsustainable allegations for political reasons.

oh wait

they do

all the fucking time

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Only rich people matter.

Poor people aren't human and therefore don't deserve rights or help.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As I grow older and looked more closely at how stuff work in society, I am disappointed, that in many places it does work exactly like this.

sure, in developed countries many "normal" peoel also have many rights, but that'll end quickly if you seriously try to mess with the establishes power structures

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

I'd argue it's actually "most places" rather than "many". It's not so obvious in day-to-day life but like if I had to take an ambulance tonight, me and my estate would be on the hook for the bill, but a billionaire would not be.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Poor people aren't human and therefore don't deserve rights or help

Incorrect. Poor people are replaceable with other poor people and eventually with robots. The fact that poor people aren't doing anything today about any of this means that there will come a day where the 1% makes up around 50% of the still living global population.

When we invented the car, horses didn't go get better jobs we just started having fewer horses.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

pia klemp is on my short list of heroes and deserves every honor she will accept. any government that tries to impede her should be treated with contempt

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Sorry but who is Pia Klemp?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I'll say it: it's time for major ocean reform. we can't keep letting the ocean take our people without consequence.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

This is from 2019: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/06/12/captain-rescue-boat-faces-20-years-jail-convicted-illegally/

Apparently italy has been harassing this specific captian since at least 2017: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-italy-ngo/italy-seizes-ngo-rescue-boat-for-allegedly-aiding-illegal-migration-idUSKBN1AI21B, and apparently the italian government has been going against multiple rescue boats

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Thank you for doing that! I was not clever enough.