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[-] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 40 points 3 months ago

German words/names and "traditional" aesthetic+demons being pure evil in humanoid form just to trick you into feeling bad about exterminating them=fucking duh, I wouldn't even call it "co-opting" it's just perfect for them

[-] BeanisBrain@hexbear.net 23 points 3 months ago

I predicted it from the moment I first heard the show's premise.

[-] Robert_Kennedy_Jr@hexbear.net 31 points 3 months ago

If they could latch onto K-On I'm sure Frieren being a similar level of cozy along with the demons being ontologically evil is catnip for them.

[-] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 14 points 3 months ago

Unironically should be pointed out and laughed at that they saw a species that wants to kill humanity and their first thought is “they are exactly why we should minecraft people IRL!”

[-] marxisthayaca@hexbear.net 14 points 3 months ago

The irony that fascists would quite literally be the frieren demons: might makes right, they lie all the time, their bloodlust is the only thing that matters.

[-] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago

True true, but it is a lot more accurate (and a lot funnier) to call CHUDs the minions: incomprehensible language, annoying, and seem less interested in principle and more interested in simply serving the biggest villain they can find, other fascists.

[-] CarmineCatboy2@hexbear.net 21 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

if you look at the map of frieren's world it really feels like the demons come from canada to attack the human empire of mexico-perú but people aren't ready for this conversation

[-] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago

They don't know that Perú es clave.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 21 points 3 months ago

Currently I subscribe to the argument that the demons are nazis and that killing nazis wholesale is good and that makes the entire debate moot. It's just wolfenstein. The demons understanding morality but still being evil is just nazism.

[-] no_pretext@hexbear.net 25 points 3 months ago

Nazis are evil because they are a product of material relations that rewards evil behavior. Nazis may be only be permanently destroyed by the elimination of these material relations. Nazis are not born Nazis.

Frieren's demons are evil because of inherent physical/racial traits. The only solution for our German heros is to kill every demon they see. Even demon children are valid targets for elimination. The demons are clearly an insidious, everpresent threat as Frieren has been on a crusade against them for multiple human lifetimes.

[-] Coca_Cola_but_Commie@hexbear.net 7 points 3 months ago

I was going to make a (mostly frivolous) comment about how Frieren is Christian propaganda and that rather than being read as an analogy the demons should be read as literal Abrahamic demons. But I like this better.

[-] Blakey@hexbear.net 16 points 2 months ago

I haven't watched it but my understanding is that the demons in Frieren are evil by virtue of their very nature - incapable of being good. This manifests as even their children being valid targets. That idea is extremely core to fascism - some people are just inherently evil, by virtue of ancestry, and the fascists must do the "hard thing" and wipe them out.

I'm not saying they're not ignoring plenty of stuff to get to their reading but it's hardly surprising, surely.

[-] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 4 points 2 months ago

I'm not saying they're not ignoring plenty of stuff to get to their reading but it's hardly surprising, surely.

ignoring half the text is my favorite literary analysis tool

[-] Blakey@hexbear.net 5 points 2 months ago

I mean I'm kind of a dumbass when it comes to media literacy, so unironically this

[-] no_pretext@hexbear.net 14 points 3 months ago

This anime was always fascist slop wrapped in twee coloring-book level "art"

[-] Yuritopiaposadism@hexbear.net 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)
[-] Bloobish@hexbear.net 9 points 3 months ago

Nah it's more an example of fascists not getting the message and just liking killing

[-] 9to5@hexbear.net 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Another day another Frieren struggle session

[-] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 14 points 3 months ago

Has it been? What does that even mean?

[-] KuroXppi@hexbear.net 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Freiren got 'coopted' in the same way kill-em-all got 'coopted'.

Fash will ignore text, subtext and theme if it allows them to identify themselves with the physically attractive characters who are presented as the protagonist(s).

The characters then by virtue of being the protagonist are 'correct' and the correct reading of the show. Then, the 'antagonist' is de facto whoever the enemy of fascism is, in this case non-white people and immigrants.

It's all well and good that we read that the demons are are actually the aristocratic forces of the invading West, or the forces of repression, and it's all well and good that we have in-text citations where Flamme tells Frieren explicitly so, laying out the demons' societal structure.

But fash don't care. The players in their conflict are pre-defined and mapped onto their popular media. Player 456 is a rebel taking on the cabalistic forces of judeocommunism.

[-] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 11 points 3 months ago

the most fascist thing about frieren is that it doesn't make any fucking sense that all these people are living in the northern plateau to begin with, there's so many villages and towns but it's made clear that it's a hellhole where even basic transit is frequently impossible, so it's like- why the fuck are all these people here

[-] MattEagle@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago

There are like, millions of people that live in places just like that here in real world too

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

In the real world, people were forced into the worse areas due to power struggles over the more arable land. Meanwhile, in Frieren, there are vast tracts of completely empty land south of the plateau (I want to say it was one day from the village that got massacred by the snake demon) that are presented as being part of the same state/country/polity/whatever. There is no lore reason presented in the show explaining why people live in the plateau, other than vague shit like "this is our home :(". It's just because it's cool.

Imo this comes down to the fact that Frieren is set in the type of fantasy setting based on D&D, where the population density and location of settlements are based not off of any actual medieval research, or thought-through material analsysi, but rather off of vibes largely inspired by the american wild west. Those vibes are then integrated into many fantasy works without any interrogation of what they would mean for the setting (or indeed how fundamentally racist they are), which leads to unsatisfying answers to obvious questions.

[-] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 5 points 2 months ago

the type of fantasy setting based on D&D, where the population density and location of settlements are based not off of any actual medieval research, or thought-through material analsysi, but rather off of vibes largely inspired by the american wild west. Those vibes are then integrated into many fantasy works without any interrogation of what they would mean for the setting

It really only works for post-post-apocalyptic settings imo. You can get a depopulated setting full of lost knowledge and eldritch horrors, a land scarred by calamity, fortified survivor enclaves only slowly reestablishing new population centers as the land becomes viable again, etc without all the weirdness of D&D style "wait, why is every town basically just an exurb that's surrounded by a monster-land theme park?" fantasy worlds.

As controversial as Mushoku Tensei is, it does deserve a lot of credit for trying to rework the cliched fantasy land framework into something coherent and semi-realistic: there are people absolutely everywhere, even when they're not human they're still fundamentally people, and the places that are sparsely populated are basically full of magical radiation that makes normal plant and animal life almost impossible as it causes rampant mutations that monsterize them which makes those places very dangerous. It also did the Dungeon Meshi thing of dungeons being a sort of magical being that grows over time, except it did it earlier and better despite this basically just being a footnote to the rest of the story.

[-] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago

Yeah but not with random monsters that can individually destroy the entire town everywhere and that's not including the demons

It's like you have to have the entire world's most superhuman people just to have little pocket villages of 30-50 people but they're all like normal dudes so if one of the super humans isn't around then it's just like....... why be there

wholesome elf girl attack on titan

[-] MattEagle@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago

These are the same idiots who thought homelander was a giga-based rolemodel. I wouldn't read too much into it.

[-] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago

Because it's anime.

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