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[–] 151 points 4 months ago (46 children)

From my understanding this age verification app seems to be based on the age verification blueprint they have been working on for a while now, which is supposed to be part of the European "digital wallet"

https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/eu-age-verification

From my understanding it works as follows:

  • There will be a central "authority", with which you can identify
  • This authority will provide you with tokens indicating you are 18+ (or whatever age verfication you may need)
  • These tokens are stored locally, and contain no identifying information other than a simple "is this guy 18+?"
  • You can use these tokens to verify age with a website that requires age verification

This solution does seemingly address my two greatest concern with online age verficiation:

  • You cannot trust the website, so they only get the information they need. They don't get any identifiable information
  • You cannot trust the authority, so they don't get to know for which websites and for what reason you request 18+ tokens

Assuming that this blueprint is followed, it seems like a decent approach at online age verification.

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  • [–] 117 points 4 months ago (13 children)

    I get why this sounds better than websites directly collecting IDs, but I think it still understates the problem. Even if the site only sees “18+”, the system still begins with strong identity proofing somewhere upstream. So this is not really anonymous access, it is identity-based access with a privacy layer on top.

    The bigger issue is centralization. You still need trusted issuers, approved apps, approved standards, and authorities deciding who can participate. That means users are being asked to trust a centralized framework not to expand, not to abuse its power, and not to fail. History gives us no reason to be relaxed about that.

    I am also skeptical of the privacy promises. These systems are always presented in their ideal form, but real-world implementations involve metadata, logging, renewal, compliance rules, vendors, and future policy changes. “The website does not know who you are” is only one small part of the privacy question.

    So even in the best-case version, this is still dangerous because it normalizes the idea that access to lawful online content should depend on credentials issued inside a centrally governed identity ecosystem. Today it is age verification. Tomorrow it is broader permissioned access to the internet. That is why I do not see this as a decent compromise, but as infrastructure for future control.

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    [–] 94 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

    If they are so dead set on protecting children, I suggest starting with:

    Gaza Strip and the West Bank (Palestine) Ukraine Sudan Myanmar Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC) Syria Yemen Ethiopia Afghanistan Haiti Niger Mali Burkina Faso

    Zuks wallet will do just fine in the mean time

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  • [–] 73 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    bad title, this isnt about protecting kids online

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  • [–] 69 points 4 months ago (33 children)

    Parents should protect children online.

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    [–] 59 points 4 months ago* (25 children)

    The motives are irrelevant. This will destroy the internet as we know it and disempower citizens. I can't help but wonder if the empowerment LLMs may have to an individual is terrifying leaders into an authoritarian mindset, finally demanding to be able to know and track what we do online, everywhere we do it. This is about protecting their ability to rule, not children from harm.

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago

    I can't help but wonder if the empowerment LLMs may have to an individual is terrifying leaders into an authoritarian mindset

    LLMs are here to enrich the rich, not to "empower the individual". They require ridiculously expensive computing power, which makes them impractical or even impossible to self-host (with data centers buying up the market, the required hardware becomes unaffordable to the individual). Now you're at the mercy of renting out the compute from the oligarchs and their companies, and you're also relying on their censored and biased models (see Grok and his "Mecha-Hitler" antics if you want a taste of the future). Please don't expect that to empower you, or anyone else. It can't, and even if it could, it wouldn't be available to you.

    Unless we democratise LLMs, they'll just become yet another tool of enslavement in the clutches of the Epstein class.

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    [+] 57 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (11 children)
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    [–] 52 points 4 months ago

    Wrong. This is to violate everyone's rights and target children. This is fucking abhorrent and needs to be stopped.

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  • [–] 52 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    How about being a fucking parent instead of letting the government do it?

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    [–] 47 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Lotta internet users are going to suddenly be from outside the EU, just like the UK population suddenly all moved to the Netherlands after their own version of this.

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    [–] 46 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I get my porn from illegal download sites that aren't interested in age-verification.

    Like all Prohibition Policies, this is only going to push people toward more illegal outlets, which demonstrate more morality than the legal ones.

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  • [–] 46 points 4 months ago

    The pedophile class is tightening the noose

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  • [–] 43 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    I don't use apps from official software installation sources. I will boycott any site or service that asks me for unnecessary information.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Until you can't because they will deploy this absolutely everywhere to "protect the children" from whatever real or imaginary threat.

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    [+] 32 points 4 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago)
    [–] 31 points 4 months ago

    Ewww gross. Fuck age verification

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  • [–] 31 points 4 months ago

    If this is not the most crooked EU Comission ever, it's a pretty close second.

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  • [–] 28 points 4 months ago* (10 children)

    Welp, this was bound to happen, wasn't it? I'm pretty sure they're referring to this application, which I stumbled upon a while back. If I remember correctly, the app "allows" (or implicitly forces) the user to store a government issued identity: able to attest to an age-restricted website, whether or not the user is of age.

    It does this, supposedly by "just" sharing an age-bracket with the website; but here's the kicker: the Union, in its generosity, has granted their citizens an in-app option, to withdraw this signal from the websites it has been provided to. What this means in practice, is the app storing one's government-issued identify, also ties back to every account requiring "age-verification"...

    So now, every device containing the app, has the owner's government-issued identify on it, together with connections to every age-restricted service. And considering the apps are maintained by the Union, or member states (through their own implementations), creating a backdoor to the application's contents... I mean to "observe app usage", would be absolutely trivial.

    Again, I've read it a while back, so some things might've changed, and my memory might be spotty; but I'm quite sure it's along the lines I've described.

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    [–] 28 points 4 months ago

    It will help the pedophile class and Israeli backed oligarchs mass surveil us more effectively

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  • [–] 27 points 4 months ago

    Sure nothing wrong can result from that. /s

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  • [–] 26 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Oh this sounds good........ I missed reading the following essential requirements

    • They achieved an unhackable system that also "air gaps" the information used to prove child ID from any external agent, including themselves
    • So it will be pulled immediately if it fails or exposes any childs data
    • Demonstrably withstands hacking? They have independent audit data?
    • Clear accountability clearly laid out for data breaches, including criminal charges?
    • Ministerial accountability?
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    This has nothing to do with protecting children

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  • [–] 21 points 4 months ago

    Don't give palantir your biometrics

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  • [–] 20 points 4 months ago

    Unless I'm reading this incorrectly, this seems far more invasive than the California law.

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  • [–] 19 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    to moniter political dissidents against the right wing to be exact, and may track women as well.

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    [–] 18 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    People keep saying that they verify your age at the super market and I keep trying to remember the last time that happened to me and I just cannot. Nor, for that matter, at bars or coffee shops (for after lunch chat chilling before returning for the afternoon stint).

    It may just be my corner of the European Union being much more lax than others.

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    [–] 15 points 4 months ago

    It's for the CHILDREN, you COMMIE!

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