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These can be smoothies, bars, drinks, supplements, etc.

Is there something specific you look for (ex. price, ingredients, specific nutrients etc.)?

Is there a brand you like / avoid (ex. soylent, huel, hol food, etc.)

Edit:

I definitely don't recommend fully replacing your diet with them. I know some people use them instead of other processed food / fast food / skipping meals entirely, and that's the use case I had in mind for myself

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

While I think in theory it's possible for them to work--and they might indeed work for specific people with specific needs--a percentage of people using them are probably of a similar type to others who have gravitated towards food fads through the past century.

Like, if you hit up the Wikpedia or some history site and look at food/diet ads from 100 years ago, those products look pretty ridiculous to modern eyes. But they're marketing the same thing, right? Health? Convenience? They're targeting people who are desperate for solutions to their problems, using marketing language common to that era.

And I think a large percentage of these meal replacement products are doing the same thing to modern people, that all the "health food" stuff from decades prior did to our grandparents and great-grandparents. People are, after all, people, and it's easy to fall for marketing regardless of what era you live in.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

That's the thing, fad diets aren't bad by definition. As long as you're getting all your nutrients, it's fine, and you're unlikely to get malnutrition from replacing your breakfast with a shake, or a guava, or a steak.

If it helps you eat fewer calories, and doesn't overly hurt your micronutrients, it works.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

For a while I was skipping lunch or eating junk food due to work pinning me down for 80 hours a week. I wanted something fast but healthy and not expensive. Prepared meals cost too much, delivery apps only raise the price.

I had heard of soylent before and found ready-to-drink was available at Target. Not bad, but not good. Too sweet for me. After looking into these things more I eventually settled on Mana as they seemed to be the most focused on nutrition and constantly improving their product. I've been getting their powder by subscription ever since to replace one meal a day (usually breakfast). Comes out to less than 5 minutes and $2 a day. It's borderline bland, which makes it easy to have fun with. Add chocolate powder, some mango juice, or leftover coffee from the French press, whatever to break out of the "I'm only eating this for sustenance" monotony.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

There's really a product called soylent? What color is it?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Not green. ;)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I apologize if this isn't right to ask, but what issue did you have with skipping lunch? Some cultures practice intermittent fasting anyway, and I'd argue that many people in modern day don't necessarily need 3 meals a day. If you're doing something active or physically demanding like a manual labor job or getting in a workout, sure, you'll need more energy. But if you're sitting in an office all day and don't work out or anything that day, I'd argue a lot of us out there really don't need 3 meals a day.

I'm not trying to say that you, personally, should be skipping meals. I don't at all know you or your situation. I was just curious about it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

It wasn't lunch. I just couldn't eat on any regular schedule at all.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Blend some (1/4 cup or so) oatmeal into a powder. Put in 1-2 TBS peanut butter. Then add milk/yogurt/fruit/a little vanilla/some honey whatever you want. You can make your own liquid meal replacement without all the processing in commercial options, for less money and it'll be fresh.

If you want something fast but it doesn't have to be drinkable, mix 2-4 TBS peanut butter and 1/2 cup or so of oatmeal in a little bowl. Microwave for like 30 seconds to a minute or so. Add a couple TBS of juice or a small handful of chocolate chips. You've now got a basic "energy bar" that can be eaten with a spoon. Can also function as a light desert or sweet, healthy snack.

I think stuff that's churned out in huge quantities, packaged in plastic, shipped around and designed to be shelf stable is questionable at best. If microbes won't even digest it (which would make it go bad) how digestible is it for people?

Oatmeal and peanut (or other nut) butter is real food and it only takes a minute or two to mix up something basically the same as one of those replacement options, but made fresh. For my basic vitamins daily, I'll have a bowl of plain cheerios (somewhat processed but better than a pressed vitamin) and some fruit. Maybe some greens here and there. (I'll also try to hide some marmite in something, to up my B12 as I eat very little meat or dairy.)

All of these options are super cheap.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Actually not bad ideas!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The premade soylents are pretty good, and I regularly have them with a protein bar as my lunch. They're pretty expensive in my opinion, so I try and look for them on sale, but the ease of not having to prep lunch is often worth it. I try and keep it under $2 a bottle for the 14oz ones, which still feels expensive to me, but some of the lunches I prep are around that cost, and it's way cheaper than going out to eat (I keep a spare one at work in case I ever forget to bring lunch)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

I’ve lost 20lbs in the last 2 weeks replacing 2 of my meals a day with Soylent RTD drinks! They’re great for dieting!

I get a pretty good deal, ordering them by the case on Amazon.

Edit: YMMV, but I was eating a lot of crap and eating way too much. Soylent makes it very easy to eat better and to control my caloric intake.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Should be careful about losing more than 1-2% of your bodyweight per week. Regardless, that sounds like amazing progress! Congrats!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

I went from 206 to 186. I’m hoping to stabilize around 175-170. Good advice nonetheless, and thanks for the support!

One of the things I like the best about Soylent is that it’s both really tasty, and it’s also quite filling. Sometimes I get the urge to snack, so I just eat some fruit such as an apple or pear. 

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

20lbs in 2 weeks?? That's an extreme pace that could be dangerous

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

~~It’s 1% of my body weight~~ edit: oops, my math was off! (from 206 to 186), and I expect it to stabilize at about 175-170. I was overeating a lot, and I had recently gained a bunch of weight that I’m now losing again due to correcting my diet. 

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

20 lbs is 9.7% of your body weight. If you read the scale like you do math then I highly doubt you lost 20 lbs in 2 weeks.

Hell, I lost 20 lbs in 2 1/2 months (doing Keto, so still eating plenty of protein) and I still lost some hair as it was too quick. 20 lbs in 2 weeks is unbelievable, that would be 70,000 kcal of fat. While an average male uses around 2000 kcal a day, so that's around 28,000 kcal in 2 weeks. It's literally impossible, even if we say a handful of your pounds were water weight.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I guess i got the math wrong on the percentage. Still, down from 206 to 186 is still 20 pounds— unless one of the doctors who weighed me has a scale that’s severely miscalibrated. Didn’t lose any hair though.

I did gain about that much over the last two or three months, so it’s more that I’m returning to a weight that’s more normal for me, so that may be why.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I mix Huel shakes for lunch when I don't have leftovers from dinner to eat. It's healthy (I think), convenient, inexpensive, and it tastes fine.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

We have evolved for millions of years to eat real, natural, organic foods that not only provide the nutrients we need, but just as importantly, bacteria to maintain a healthy gut biome. Meal replacements is putting your health in the hands of a for profit corporation that may have the best interests, but also, many have shareholders who demand a return. Who are you going to trust. Foods from Mother Nature that have no processing or something made in a factory where you have no way to verify how it was actually made?

I have tried many alternative foods, some claiming optimal health, but only real unprocessed foods have given me the health others cannot match.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Huel hot and savory is pretty good if you want most of the convience and nutrition profile, while still getting the "experience" of food.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I have a Soylent Cafe most mornings on the way into work. It serves both as my first cup of coffee and also a 400 calorie breakfast. It’s $3/bottle which is more expensive than making food at home but I don’t have the time to prepare a meal before leaving for the day anyway. It’s also much cheaper and healthier than stopping or going through a drive thru.

My biggest concern is the amount of plastic as 3-4 bottles per week feels very irresponsible.

The flavor is pretty good but I miss the original Cafe Vanilla variety. That was really good.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Not sure how little time you have in the morning, but you could get the big Soylent powder bags and make them yourself. I've never tried it with coffee/espresso shots, but I sometimes make one with berries.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

I really should try that again. I had some of the original formulations of the powder but it REALLY didn’t agree with me, both in flavor, texture and what it did to my stomach.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

I try to eat as few highly processed food as possible. Nearly all industrial meals and convenience products are packed with artificial substances to improve taste and especially optimize production cost. Most prominent water in combination with something to adjust viscosity.

Full meal replacements are the pinnacle of high processed foods IMO. You take "everything that a human needs" mix it with water and stuff it with aroma.

I got some problems with this approach:

  • I'm not confident that there is really everything I need in it

  • Extracting nutrition from food usually takes time, drinks are easy to process and probably release nutrition much fast (needs confirmation)

  • Eating is not only about getting nutrition, chewing also triggers effects on your body

  • Eating only artificial stuff destroys your taste, a lot of people are so used to highly processed stuff that they can't even appreciate the taste of high quality food

  • Take a break for eating, you can socialise with your family or coworkers and give your body time to regenerate

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I personally love my smoothie meal replacement, helps me not feel bloated or overly full and very easy to not over eat/drink. The one meal I wouldn’t replace is dinner though.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Which brand / type do you get?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I’m still kind of experimenting, but I have found the soy based or vegan ones are better because they blend better in water. I don’t really want a shake that needs milk to blend well, that’s just my want.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I currently have Holfood chocolate flavor. Tastes pretty good, high in protein, not too filling. Sometimes, I'll add in a scoop of unflavored whey to up the protein and calorie content.

I've had Soylent in the past, but I've never liked the flavour. Then at some point, they changed the formulation and it made me puke when I had it. Holfood vanilla is like a slightly more palatable version of Soylent if you like that neutral flavour.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Big fan of penny shakes as an alternative to soylent.

Filling, tastes acceptable, low sugar, high fiber and protein, and costs like 1.80/serving.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Came here to support plenny shakes as well. And their bars are amazing too

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Juicing is an excellent way to boost your metabolism and loose weight. Unfortunately a lot of plant matter gets wasted in the process, and in this economy itshard to justify such a big waste of food. I managed to loose 100lbs during my juicing phase.

There's a great documentary about a guy with medical issues who traveled around the USA while solely juicing for over a month he interviewed locals with food addiction issues. Very impactful.

My father is a severe diabetic but can't keep his hands off the sweets. One of the people interviewed said the exact thing my dad loves to say when gourging himself on yet another tasty cake. "If you're going to die, die happy!" Obviously copium mixed in with a deep subconcious depression. I finally came up with the perfect retort whenever I catch him saying that:

"Somehow I doubt that tasty cake brings you anything close to happiness, dad. Enjoy your next insulin shot."

[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago

Not to shit on your parade (and congratulations for losing that weight!) buuuut for anyone reading this thinking "juicing" is a shortcut to a healthy life:

It really isn't.

Fruit juices like apple or orange juice especially when bought contain a ton of sugar and often lack all-important fiber as OP points out.

In fact, drinking a lot of (fruit) juice has been linked to increased risk of type 2 diabetes (see "health effects"). There is absolutely no indication that juicing is in any way superior to just eating fruit and veggies and to the contrary quite some indications that juicing is actually inferior.

And not to put words on your mouth OP but juicing proponents often overlap with detox proponents, another fad which has absolutely 0 base in reality.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

I have gastroparesis, which means that I've been leaning on these pretty heavily of late. I don't yet have a favorite, really, but the premade Soylent is rather filling. My biggest issue with all of them has be the sugar content.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I make very easy shakes in my nutribullet which are just water, ice, oats, chia seed, protein powder with probiotics, peanut butter and some berries or a banana. I swap in some other things like hemp hearts for the chia sometimes.

Tastes great and requires little effort.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

For anyone tempted to make this, make sure you soak the chia seeds for a few hours first. They're so thirsty for water they can cause some awful bowel problems otherwise.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Good to know. I haven't had any issues but I drink a ton of water.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

Easy to do last thing at night, just chuck the chia seeds in with the water and add everything else in the morning.

They'll keep for days soaking in the fridge so you can make big batches if you prefer.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

I tried Kachava and it didn't taste bad, but didn't taste great. It was very much a planty flavor with cocoa. It is fairly filling and not a hollow sort of filling like you get with Ensure, probably due to the fiber content? It has a sort of creamy texture that holds air from mixing it. It tastes better with milk instead of water. After mixing you kind of need to drink it right away or it gets kinda funky unless you drink it from a mixer bottle and give it a shake after it sits for a few minutes.

I do want to try other options, don't think I'd get Kachava again. I suspect that all of those meal replacement shakes will be a similar experience with a different taste.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

KetoChow is fantastic, but expensive - I've tried the rest, 2 years of soylent, months of huel, sampled a few other types. KetoChow is leagues ahead in terms of flavor and nutrition profile (very low carbs, high protein)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Grab some fruit, or salad, slam a quality protein shake (no/low sugar).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

My go-to is a bag of trail mix from the dollar store. $1.34 with tax, and it’s 700 calories with decent macros.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I'm looking into some of them (in Canada), curious about your experiences

Not worried about calories (if anything, more might be better...)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

I wish I liked them. They seem super convenient. I've never felt full drinking a meal instead of eating it. I think that feeling of fullness is critical for me.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I think they're fine for people with health problems who need additional nutritional support but as a part of a healthy person's diet they should play a limited role.

Obviously if you're going to be doing something where you won't have access to healthy food or the ability to cook then sure, take something with you. But if you have the ability to meal prep a healthy alternative and safely store it, strictly from a health perspective that will be better.

If you are going down the meal replacement route, limit both sugar and artificial sweeteners. These foods tend to be either high sugar or high in artificial sweeteners which, although approved for human consumption, may have some adverse health effects or unforseen effects on metabolism.

You also want to watch the sodium content because various forms of sodium that do not taste salty are used as preservatives. Anything with the word sodium will be some kind of salt and it can be sneaky when it's a form of sodium that doesn't taste salty like sodium chloride. Add up all the sodium on a label and sometimes it can be a little shocking.

Edit: personally I rarely eat meat so I use unflavored pea protein fairly regularly to ensure that I get enough protein so I just wanted to clarify that I'm not judging you by saying that this should play a limited role in your diet if possible.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

pea protein + soy milk + peanut butter + walnut oil + oatmeal + cocoa powder + splenda + salt

That was my go-to shake for about a year at my old job when I didn't have time to prepare lunches.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 11 months ago

Capitalism inventing a new need they can make money with. Totally useless, especially in Germany brands that sell you Milk lol, adults replacing meals with mother milk vitamin shakes